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Re: Is Lit "better" than Corporate

Postby elendinel » Fri Dec 23, 2016 12:09 pm

Eldon Tyrell wrote:Corporate partner: I'm not sure why you abbreviated "lit" while fully writing out "corporate." I don't care which you use, but keep it consistent. We should talk about this when you get a chance. Also not sure why you didn't end the question with a question mark. Please add proper punctuation to each sentence - this should be a global change. thx



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Re: Is Lit "better" than Corporate

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:22 pm

elendinel wrote:I don't mean to call you out for this (especially since you did give more information after your original post), but this is like the 3-4th super-vague "I know these options, which is the best option" thread I've personally seen in the last week or so.

Random strangers on the internet can't tell you what will work best for you unless you tell them about yourself and what you're looking for. If you don't know what you're looking for, you, at a minimum, need to figure out your strengths and weaknesses, what you like/don't like about where you are now, and potential avenues for you that you think may be good next steps (depending on the specifics of those avenues). If you don't know these things, you have to figure it out before asking the question.

It's not dumb to ask what ____ job/field is really like; you're never going to get information that is actually useful to you if you don't do this basic inquiry about yourself to inform the responses people give you, though.

So specifically for you, what did you like about the idea of being a trial attorney? What do you find boring/loathsome about corporate law? Do you think the issue you have with corporate law has to do with your tasks, or is it maybe a product of the types of clients you work with/their particular issues? If money was not an issue, what field would you have gone into post law school? Etc.


OP here, thanks for this. My problem isn't the clients, its that I don't find the work engaging making it hard to focus and as a result I make tons of mistakes. This is surely part of being a 1st year, but I cant imagine I'd feel differently drafting an Offering Circular or a DMA.

If money wasn't a consideration, I'd probably want to be an ADA/AUSA.

I guess my fear is that I transfer into litigation without knowing what it's really like and I end up hating that too and am screwed. Maybe I'll ask an older litigator at my firm to get coffee and see.

Again, thanks for the responses. Hopefully some law students read this and consider their course before being a blind sheep led into corporate biglaw.

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Re: Is Lit "better" than Corporate

Postby Devlin » Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:44 pm

Eldon Tyrell wrote:Corporate partner: I'm not sure why you abbreviated "lit" while fully writing out "corporate." I don't care which you use, but keep it consistent. We should talk about this when you get a chance. Also not sure why you didn't end the question with a question mark. Please add proper punctuation to each sentence - this should be a global change. thx

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Re: Is Lit "better" than Corporate

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:12 pm

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elendinel wrote:I don't mean to call you out for this (especially since you did give more information after your original post), but this is like the 3-4th super-vague "I know these options, which is the best option" thread I've personally seen in the last week or so.

Random strangers on the internet can't tell you what will work best for you unless you tell them about yourself and what you're looking for. If you don't know what you're looking for, you, at a minimum, need to figure out your strengths and weaknesses, what you like/don't like about where you are now, and potential avenues for you that you think may be good next steps (depending on the specifics of those avenues). If you don't know these things, you have to figure it out before asking the question.

It's not dumb to ask what ____ job/field is really like; you're never going to get information that is actually useful to you if you don't do this basic inquiry about yourself to inform the responses people give you, though.

So specifically for you, what did you like about the idea of being a trial attorney? What do you find boring/loathsome about corporate law? Do you think the issue you have with corporate law has to do with your tasks, or is it maybe a product of the types of clients you work with/their particular issues? If money was not an issue, what field would you have gone into post law school? Etc.


OP here, thanks for this. My problem isn't the clients, its that I don't find the work engaging making it hard to focus and as a result I make tons of mistakes. This is surely part of being a 1st year, but I cant imagine I'd feel differently drafting an Offering Circular or a DMA.

If money wasn't a consideration, I'd probably want to be an ADA/AUSA.

I guess my fear is that I transfer into litigation without knowing what it's really like and I end up hating that too and am screwed. Maybe I'll ask an older litigator at my firm to get coffee and see.

Again, thanks for the responses. Hopefully some law students read this and consider their course before being a blind sheep led into corporate biglaw.


If you can see yourself as and ADA/AUSA, then definitely do Lit. I'm only a second year, but I've gotten the opportunity to trial an arbitration, take depositions, and am trying a case in federal court soon. Most of this on the pro bono front, but the work is fun and engaging; I don't mind working for free.

Day to day billable stuff can be a drag as well, but I'm occasionally rewarded with a dispositve motion, deposition, or product inspection. And I can already foresee that by the time I'm more senior, I may actually do cool stuff on a day-to-day basis like draft briefs, and push down briefs I don't want to draft, take depositions, argue some motions in court. I just don't see how corporate ever gets better. You just have to ask yourself whether you can handle the pressure, Litigation can be extremely stressful for I'm assuming similar and different reasons than corporate.

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Re: Is Lit "better" than Corporate

Postby hlsperson1111 » Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:17 pm

Eldon Tyrell wrote:Corporate partner: I'm not sure why you abbreviated "lit" while fully writing out "corporate." I don't care which you use, but keep it consistent. We should talk about this when you get a chance. Also not sure why you didn't end the question with a question mark. Please add proper punctuation to each sentence - this should be a global change. thx


To be fair, litigation partners can be similarly anal about this sort of thing.

Anyways, OP: I am a litigator and generally like it. I think the substance of the work is more interesting than corporate work, although discovery (and particularly fighting about discovery) is not interesting or fun. Taking witnesses at trial and taking depositions are fun. Brief writing is usually fun, depending on who you are working for and the substance of the brief you are writing. If you enjoy researching, argumentative writing, and/or developing a narrative of the facts in a case, it's probably more up your alley than corporate. All things being equal, corporate has higher-paying exit options, particularly if you want to have a 9-5 job. But I'd much rather work 9-9 in a job I found interesting than 9-5 in one I found boring and soul-crushing.

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Re: Is Lit "better" than Corporate

Postby Eldon Tyrell » Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:18 pm

It was a joke. I'm under no illusions about litigation partners also being psychos.

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Re: Is Lit "better" than Corporate

Postby WalnutSurprise » Sun Dec 25, 2016 5:24 pm

hlsperson1111 wrote:
Eldon Tyrell wrote:Corporate partner: I'm not sure why you abbreviated "lit" while fully writing out "corporate." I don't care which you use, but keep it consistent. We should talk about this when you get a chance. Also not sure why you didn't end the question with a question mark. Please add proper punctuation to each sentence - this should be a global change. thx


To be fair, litigation partners can be similarly anal about this sort of thing.

Anyways, OP: I am a litigator and generally like it. I think the substance of the work is more interesting than corporate work, although discovery (and particularly fighting about discovery) is not interesting or fun. Taking witnesses at trial and taking depositions are fun. Brief writing is usually fun, depending on who you are working for and the substance of the brief you are writing. If you enjoy researching, argumentative writing, and/or developing a narrative of the facts in a case, it's probably more up your alley than corporate. All things being equal, corporate has higher-paying exit options, particularly if you want to have a 9-5 job. But I'd much rather work 9-9 in a job I found interesting than 9-5 in one I found boring and soul-crushing.


I think the point of finding a 9-5 job is that it isn't soul crushing because you have time to do things you actually enjoy outside of the office. 9-9 really doesn't leave much room for your family/friends/hobbies/exercise, unless you don't need sleep. Not arguing with you about your preferences, but I had similar ideas about legal practice before I ended up in transactional. I'll find my fulfillment elsewhere once I leave biglaw - for now I'm sacrificing sleep because I choose to do things (even if that just means staying up later than I should so I can actually spend time with my girlfriend) after I get home from a long day of being a glorified paralegal.

also, I loled hard at Eldon Tyrell's post, so thanks for that

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Re: Is Lit "better" than Corporate

Postby jbagelboy » Mon Dec 26, 2016 5:07 am

Its all shit

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Re: Is Lit "better" than Corporate

Postby Hutz_and_Goodman » Mon Dec 26, 2016 11:27 am

I'm a year and a half in as a lit associate. I can definitely say that at my firm (in general) lit associates like the work better, and many of the transactional people are doing that solely for the exit options. I enjoy the job and I agree with the assessment that I'd rather work 9-9 or 10-9 at a job I find intellectually interesting than 9-5 in corporate in-house.

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Re: Is Lit "better" than Corporate

Postby nealric » Mon Dec 26, 2016 11:31 am

grand inquisitor wrote:litigation is what real lawyers do. corporate attorneys are just high-functioning paralegals.


I always get a kick out of statements like this. As if being a "real lawyer" is such a lofty goal to aspire to. :lol:

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Re: Is Lit "better" than Corporate

Postby Anonymous User » Sat May 12, 2018 5:39 pm

Eldon Tyrell wrote:Corporate partner: I'm not sure why you abbreviated "lit" while fully writing out "corporate." I don't care which you use, but keep it consistent. We should talk about this when you get a chance. Also not sure why you didn't end the question with a question mark. Please add proper punctuation to each sentence - this should be a global change. thx


1st year corporate associate...this comment triggering af

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Re: Is Lit "better" than Corporate

Postby Anonymous User » Sat May 12, 2018 6:40 pm

nealric wrote:
grand inquisitor wrote:litigation is what real lawyers do. corporate attorneys are just high-functioning paralegals.


I always get a kick out of statements like this. As if being a "real lawyer" is such a lofty goal to aspire to. :lol:


I’d rather do alternate dispute resolution... not be either party but be he party that brings the two sides to a meetin to try to get the main point if contention out in the open... kinda like a counselor does. If they can’t figure it out well, at least they know where/ how to get to court.


Then I could actually believe that I’m a counselor.... and have a reason to justify getting an expensive counchfor the office...

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Re: Is Lit "better" than Corporate

Postby nealric » Sun May 13, 2018 9:31 am

Anonymous User wrote:
nealric wrote:
grand inquisitor wrote:litigation is what real lawyers do. corporate attorneys are just high-functioning paralegals.


I always get a kick out of statements like this. As if being a "real lawyer" is such a lofty goal to aspire to. :lol:


I’d rather do alternate dispute resolution... not be either party but be he party that brings the two sides to a meetin to try to get the main point if contention out in the open... kinda like a counselor does. If they can’t figure it out well, at least they know where/ how to get to court.


Then I could actually believe that I’m a counselor.... and have a reason to justify getting an expensive counchfor the office...


Those gigs are mostly for retired judges or litigators.

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Re: Is Lit "better" than Corporate

Postby northwood » Sun May 13, 2018 10:34 am

nealric wrote:
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nealric wrote:
grand inquisitor wrote:litigation is what real lawyers do. corporate attorneys are just high-functioning paralegals.


I always get a kick out of statements like this. As if being a "real lawyer" is such a lofty goal to aspire to. :lol:


I’d rather do alternate dispute resolution... not be either party but be he party that brings the two sides to a meetin to try to get the main point if contention out in the open... kinda like a counselor does. If they can’t figure it out well, at least they know where/ how to get to court.


Then I could actually believe that I’m a counselor.... and have a reason to justify getting an expensive counchfor the office...


Those gigs are mostly for retired judges or litigators.


Still sounds pretty sweet tho...

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Re: Is Lit "better" than Corporate

Postby LBJ's Hair » Sun May 13, 2018 9:27 pm

corporate attorneys are investment bankers who can't do math. (mostly joking)

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Re: Is Lit "better" than Corporate

Postby kiddie114 » Mon May 14, 2018 4:13 pm

jbagelboy wrote:Its all shit



gold. thats what the money is for.

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Re: Is Lit "better" than Corporate

Postby Anonymous User » Thu May 24, 2018 2:07 pm

Are non-stop fire drills the norm in corporate? I feel like my experience has been nothing but "we need 500 documents reviewed ASAP!!!" -- email received Friday at 4pm.

It's exhausting. I've never started a day where I knew what I was going to be doing/working on.

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Re: Is Lit "better" than Corporate

Postby JohnnieSockran » Thu May 24, 2018 2:15 pm

grand inquisitor wrote:litigation is what real lawyers do. corporate attorneys are just high-functioning paralegals.


We just bill at higher rates though :wink:

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Re: Is Lit "better" than Corporate

Postby Hopefullitassociate » Thu May 24, 2018 5:15 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Are non-stop fire drills the norm in corporate? I feel like my experience has been nothing but "we need 500 documents reviewed ASAP!!!" -- email received Friday at 4pm.

It's exhausting. I've never started a day where I knew what I was going to be doing/working on.


To be clear, are you referring to reviewing documents for corporate (and not doing doc review for litigation)? Litigation has some fire drills that pop up, but they're far fewer, and I've never head of any for doc review, when you normally have a good idea well ahead of time of when you'll need to produce documents.

Corporate, on the other hand, I think has far more fire drills, or smaller assignments that need to be done right away. I think the work overall is more exhausting in litigation, but the constant fire drills of corporate wear you down faster.



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