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Re: Hiring Freezes??

Postby haus » Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:15 am

bb9916 wrote:So with this article, what do you guys think this means: "Trump has yet to fill scores of positions, and the guidance says any vacant posts judged unnecessary can be eliminated immediately."

Will those of us with Honors offers that have already received exemptions keep our exemptions until this fall? Or is there a chance we'll get axed before we start? You would think that if we have already received an exemption that we wouldn't be "unnecessary."

I suspect that this is primarily geared at the senior positions that are often filled by appointment by an incoming administration. If the President has not named an under secretary of so-and-so, it may mean that he/his administration thinks it is of value and can be done away with.

I think a bigger problem will be how agencies that are facing the threat of considerable budget cuts will decide to staff going forward. If you are in management/HR at an agency that the current administration has stated should be slashed (e.g. EPA) you might want to re-think what type of, and how many new positions you decide to open up and attempt to fill.

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Re: Hiring Freezes??

Postby andythefir » Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:55 pm

It would be dumb to hire anybody for a position outside of ICE until the budget comes down. I bet there are cuts, but not as bad as contemplated by the trump budget, leading to modest hiring this fall.

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Re: Hiring Freezes??

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:19 pm

Ok maybe someone can answer my question or help give me a peace of mind. So I got a tentative offer before the hiring freeze with the department of agriculture (USDA) but could not technically be hired during the freeze. In Trump's budget cuts proposal he stated he wanted to cut USDA funding by 21%. My question is now that the freeze is over will they be able to go ahead with the process and hire me or am I out of luck due to these crazy budget cut proposals?

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Re: Hiring Freezes??

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:26 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Ok maybe someone can answer my question or help give me a peace of mind. So I got a tentative offer before the hiring freeze with the department of agriculture (USDA) but could not technically be hired during the freeze. In Trump's budget cuts proposal he stated he wanted to cut USDA funding by 21%. My question is now that the freeze is over will they be able to go ahead with the process and hire me or am I out of luck due to these crazy budget cut proposals?


I'm in the same situation with a different agency. I accepted an offer before the freeze, got an exemption during the freeze, hiring activities resumed (background check starting, etc.), now post-freeze my agency is facing cuts and I still don't have my "firm" offer. I'm nervous about whether my tentative offer will still be honored. I can't start until the fall...

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Re: Hiring Freezes??

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:30 pm

They said you can't start until fall?! My agency was trying to seek an exemption as well and I haven't heard back. Well if that's the case even if I do get the job I'm sure I won't be able to start until fall too :(. Does anyone know when Congress votes on the budget? I have read that Congress is really not on board with it but who knows.

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Re: Hiring Freezes??

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Apr 12, 2017 7:01 pm

Anonymous User wrote:They said you can't start until fall?! My agency was trying to seek an exemption as well and I haven't heard back. Well if that's the case even if I do get the job I'm sure I won't be able to start until fall too :(. Does anyone know when Congress votes on the budget? I have read that Congress is really not on board with it but who knows.


I can't start until the fall because I haven't graduated or passed the bar yet (though I may be able to start earlier as a law clerk). It was an Honors position starting somewhere around August-October...

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Re: Hiring Freezes??

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Apr 12, 2017 7:50 pm

I was also caught in the interview-offer processes when the freeze took place. I emailed my contact today with questions similar to those posted here. They told me I'd have to wait and see if the agency was able to fill the position after interpretation of the guidance.

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Re: Hiring Freezes??

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:00 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I was also caught in the interview-offer processes when the freeze took place. I emailed my contact today with questions similar to those posted here. They told me I'd have to wait and see if the agency was able to fill the position after interpretation of the guidance.


Tentative offer or still interviewing?

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Re: Hiring Freezes??

Postby andythefir » Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:04 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Ok maybe someone can answer my question or help give me a peace of mind. So I got a tentative offer before the hiring freeze with the department of agriculture (USDA) but could not technically be hired during the freeze. In Trump's budget cuts proposal he stated he wanted to cut USDA funding by 21%. My question is now that the freeze is over will they be able to go ahead with the process and hire me or am I out of luck due to these crazy budget cut proposals?


Seems to me there's a good news/bad news reality. Good news: 21% cut is not likely. Multiple people in congress have said the trump budget is dead on arrival. Bad news: some kind of cut is likely. If you were a manager would you sign off on bringing on someone knowing you might have to lay them off? It sucks, and I'm sorry you're caught up in this.

Pulling together everything I know, the most likely outcome is another continuing resolution in late April. That will keep agencies at their current funding levels-meaning the levels the agencies were anticipating when they extended offers. They may or may not honor them, but my guess is the funding will be available.

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Re: Hiring Freezes??

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:28 pm

I have read budget cuts will happen but not to the extent Trump wants fortunately. With proposals of 30% to the EPA, 29%to the state, 21% to the USDA and etc, these are very radical is what Congress says. These cuts could ruin agencies. If you look at last cuts by Obama and bush all of them ended up not even being close to what they proposed. The Congress either does not accept them or revamps them. That is why I can't see how some of these will pass Congress. Almost every article I have read says republican and Democrat members of Congress oppose Trump's proposals. I really feel people, especially ones who got tentative offers before the freeze, should get jobs honored. I do not think as of right now new jobs will be posted in agencies with listed budget cut proposals. But like I said ones who interviewed before the hiring freeze and got tentative offers I feel will be able to work. Just my thoughts I guess.

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Re: Hiring Freezes??

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Apr 13, 2017 1:09 pm

Does anyone know when congress votes on the budgets?

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Re: Hiring Freezes??

Postby jess » Fri Apr 14, 2017 3:22 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Does anyone know when congress votes on the budgets?

the current extension expires 4/28/17

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Re: Hiring Freezes??

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:01 am

What do you guys think of the state department and EPA keeping thier hiring freeze still in place? Do you think other agencies will follow?

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Re: Hiring Freezes??

Postby andythefir » Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:22 pm

Anonymous User wrote:What do you guys think of the state department and EPA keeping thier hiring freeze still in place? Do you think other agencies will follow?


USAO has posted a couple AUSA positions here and there, but it's radically fewer than normal. My guess is there won't be any movement on hiring until there's a budget, and even then I wouldn't hold out hope for the EPA or state.

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Re: Hiring Freezes??

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Apr 22, 2017 12:15 am

andythefir wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:What do you guys think of the state department and EPA keeping thier hiring freeze still in place? Do you think other agencies will follow?


USAO has posted a couple AUSA positions here and there, but it's radically fewer than normal. My guess is there won't be any movement on hiring until there's a budget, and even then I wouldn't hold out hope for the EPA or state.


Any guesses at how appointments of USAs will affect hiring? I've heard that the closer to confirmation the slower the positions come. I've posted before but starting circuit clerkship in August, so 9/18 is my target start date and have no fucking clue if all the activity lately and lack thereof is good or bad.

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Re: Hiring Freezes??

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Apr 22, 2017 8:33 pm

I'm thinking if they get a budget set by the 28th which is this next Friday, agencies will be able to hire. This is of course if Trump's proposals do not go through congress. I am hoping this will happen and agencies can start hiring where they need people. I am in a situation where I got a tentative offer before the freeze and than during the freeze my agency had a 21% budget cut proposal. So I am hoping things will not only work out for me but everyone else who has been in limbo for the last three months.

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Re: Hiring Freezes??

Postby haus » Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:42 pm

Sadly, dysfunction is likely going to lead the way next week. We may dodge a governmental shutdown (although we are going to get a lot closer to this than we have any business getting). But we will not have a real budget that would allow agencies to do real planning, instead, we will have another stop gap measure that punts the can down the road a few more months.




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