What the hell is going on Forum

[Anonymous User]

Maybe it's feast or famine? I'm barely above median at my t14, straight through, male, not URM, with 16 callbacks (2/4 DC screeners). All my friends have done as well or better.

lol, mentioning the words "barely above median" and "male" and "white" as if being an above-average white male is some kind of disadvantage and you got 16 callbacks despite this 'disadvantage', good for you

[Anonymous User]

Very happy with Fordham experience. I know people say T14 or bust, but a huge number of Fordham students (even those outside of top 1/3 and Law Review) seemed to be getting callbacks and offers.

I was talking to a V30 partner at a CCN reception and he was talking about how the T14 or bust is BS and how he and his firm are increasingly looking for driven, ambitious students from other schools. He actually referred to Fordham specifically.

That is really going to throw a wrench into the TLS mindset haha.

[Nebby]

Very happy with Fordham experience. I know people say T14 or bust, but a huge number of Fordham students (even those outside of top 1/3 and Law Review) seemed to be getting callbacks and offers.

I was talking to a V30 partner at a CCN reception and he was talking about how the T14 or bust is BS and how he and his firm are increasingly looking for driven, ambitious students from other schools. He actually referred to Fordham specifically.

That is really going to throw a wrench into the TLS mindset haha.

No it's not because no one thinks it's tls or bust (unless you're talking about the anon 0Ls who give advice--like half this thread)

[Anonymous User]

Very happy with Fordham experience. I know people say T14 or bust, but a huge number of Fordham students (even those outside of top 1/3 and Law Review) seemed to be getting callbacks and offers.

I was talking to a V30 partner at a CCN reception and he was talking about how the T14 or bust is BS and how he and his firm are increasingly looking for driven, ambitious students from other schools. He actually referred to Fordham specifically.

That is really going to throw a wrench into the TLS mindset haha.

CCN anon: agreed. I don't think it's new that NY firms look for top students at Fordham, Brooklyn, and other NY schools. It's more that personal qualities are mattering more and more and the school/grades combo less so. Interestingly, he said the best predictor of law firm success is SAT scores, probably because they proxy how inherently hardworking a person is. It's easy to get a twenty something to cram for the LSAT or law school exams. It's harder to get a 15 year old to cram for the SAT. Also said asking work-life questions raises red flags.

[Anonymous User]

Almost everyone at Chicago seems to be getting at least one or two callbacks, some are getting several. We still have three more days of screeners. A few people have nothing so far. A lot of skepticism from New York firms about whether we will actually be interested in New York. A lot of them got burned last year (maybe because Chicago hiring picked up unexpectedly).

[Anonymous User]

Very happy with Fordham experience. I know people say T14 or bust, but a huge number of Fordham students (even those outside of top 1/3 and Law Review) seemed to be getting callbacks and offers.

I was talking to a V30 partner at a CCN reception and he was talking about how the T14 or bust is BS and how he and his firm are increasingly looking for driven, ambitious students from other schools. He actually referred to Fordham specifically.

That is really going to throw a wrench into the TLS mindset haha.

CCN anon: agreed. I don't think it's new that NY firms look for top students at Fordham, Brooklyn, and other NY schools. It's more that personal qualities are mattering more and more and the school/grades combo less so. Interestingly, he said the best predictor of law firm success is SAT scores, probably because they proxy how inherently hardworking a person is. It's easy to get a twenty something to cram for the LSAT or law school exams. It's harder to get a 15 year old to cram for the SAT. Also said asking work-life questions raises red flags.

That is a disgusting statement. 15 year olds are largely at the mercy of their parents and the resources their parents have. I did not even know that people studied for the SAT because none of my (largely poor) friends studied for the SAT. That guy is an asshole, like many V30 partners.

I got a 1480 on the (old) SAT and a 34 on the ACT with no prep so this is not bitterness talking.

(Anon so I'm not bragging about my SAT)

[Nebby]

Very happy with Fordham experience. I know people say T14 or bust, but a huge number of Fordham students (even those outside of top 1/3 and Law Review) seemed to be getting callbacks and offers.

I was talking to a V30 partner at a CCN reception and he was talking about how the T14 or bust is BS and how he and his firm are increasingly looking for driven, ambitious students from other schools. He actually referred to Fordham specifically.

That is really going to throw a wrench into the TLS mindset haha.

CCN anon: agreed. I don't think it's new that NY firms look for top students at Fordham, Brooklyn, and other NY schools. It's more that personal qualities are mattering more and more and the school/grades combo less so. Interestingly, he said the best predictor of law firm success is SAT scores, probably because they proxy how inherently hardworking a person is. It's easy to get a twenty something to cram for the LSAT or law school exams. It's harder to get a 15 year old to cram for the SAT. Also said asking work-life questions raises red flags.

Lol. How do such turds become partners, or is that a prerequisite I wonder.

[Anonymous User]

Will trade soul for 2L SA.

Haha same here, my friend.

[Anonymous User]

Maybe it's feast or famine? I'm barely above median at my t14, straight through, male, not URM, with 16 callbacks (2/4 DC screeners). All my friends have done as well or better.

lol, mentioning the words "barely above median" and "male" and "white" as if being an above-average white male is some kind of disadvantage and you got 16 callbacks despite this 'disadvantage', good for you

Firms are targeting URMs and women because they are image-conscious and their partnerdoms are overwhelmingly white male. I really don't think median white guys are a hot commodity right now (unless it's bro culture).

[DELG]

Maybe it's feast or famine? I'm barely above median at my t14, straight through, male, not URM, with 16 callbacks (2/4 DC screeners). All my friends have done as well or better.

lol, mentioning the words "barely above median" and "male" and "white" as if being an above-average white male is some kind of disadvantage and you got 16 callbacks despite this 'disadvantage', good for you

Firms are targeting URMs and women because they are image-conscious and their partnerdoms are overwhelmingly white male. I really don't think median white guys are a hot commodity right now (unless it's bro culture).

LOL. Don't confuse the public gnashing of teeth with an actual willingness to overcome their baises and hire affirmative action style.

[Anonymous User]

Maybe it's feast or famine? I'm barely above median at my t14, straight through, male, not URM, with 16 callbacks (2/4 DC screeners). All my friends have done as well or better.

lol, mentioning the words "barely above median" and "male" and "white" as if being an above-average white male is some kind of disadvantage and you got 16 callbacks despite this 'disadvantage', good for you

Firms are targeting URMs and women because they are image-conscious and their partnerdoms are overwhelmingly white male. I really don't think median white guys are a hot commodity right now (unless it's bro culture).

LOL multiple interviewers have explicitly compared me with their wife...

[Anonymous User]

Everyone just keep in mind that it only takes one. I know multiple people that only got 1 cb and they ended up with an offer from 1 cb. I have a good feeling that some of you guys will get calls today.

[Mr. nobody]

Maybe it's feast or famine? I'm barely above median at my t14, straight through, male, not URM, with 16 callbacks (2/4 DC screeners). All my friends have done as well or better.

lol, mentioning the words "barely above median" and "male" and "white" as if being an above-average white male is some kind of disadvantage and you got 16 callbacks despite this 'disadvantage', good for you

Firms are targeting URMs and women because they are image-conscious and their partnerdoms are overwhelmingly white male. I really don't think median white guys are a hot commodity right now (unless it's bro culture).

White's still have a huge advantage over Asians, indians and immigrants. Which is a big chunk of the oci participation

[Anonymous User]

Maybe it's feast or famine? I'm barely above median at my t14, straight through, male, not URM, with 16 callbacks (2/4 DC screeners). All my friends have done as well or better.

lol, mentioning the words "barely above median" and "male" and "white" as if being an above-average white male is some kind of disadvantage and you got 16 callbacks despite this 'disadvantage', good for you

Firms are targeting URMs and women because they are image-conscious and their partnerdoms are overwhelmingly white male. I really don't think median white guys are a hot commodity right now (unless it's bro culture).

White's still have a huge advantage over Asians, indians and immigrants. Which is a big chunk of the oci participation

I disagree with this. At least 1/2, if not 2/3, of my interviewers were Asian, Indian, or immigrants. I don't think I had an advantage over the Asian, Indian, or immigrant students they interviewed.

[DELG]

Maybe it's feast or famine? I'm barely above median at my t14, straight through, male, not URM, with 16 callbacks (2/4 DC screeners). All my friends have done as well or better.

lol, mentioning the words "barely above median" and "male" and "white" as if being an above-average white male is some kind of disadvantage and you got 16 callbacks despite this 'disadvantage', good for you

Firms are targeting URMs and women because they are image-conscious and their partnerdoms are overwhelmingly white male. I really don't think median white guys are a hot commodity right now (unless it's bro culture).

LOL multiple interviewers have explicitly compared me with their wife...

Interview tips as a woman:

Note how you got back to school quickly after your tube tie surgery, because you're driven to keep working.

Mention your wife, the elementary school teacher, keeps your life running smoothly.

Ask if you would be the only T in their LGBT contingent.

[Anonymous User]

Every tried and true "bro" at my t14 murdered oci. Anecdotes, but yeah.

[Anonymous User]

Well, as a second career law student who just did 23 screeners, only got 2 callbacks, it is more than just WM...I got a lot of frat/sorority feel and since I am not from that type background I felt like a few times the interviewers looked at me like I had two heads.

I think the diversity goals claimed by biglaw firms are at odds with their screening for fit. If you are a bro-dude or sorority gal who is interviewing for generic biglaw firm, you are going to fit with other bro-dudes and sorority gals. It is kind of the way of the world. You need to be URM but also upper middle class.

[Mr. nobody]

Maybe it's feast or famine? I'm barely above median at my t14, straight through, male, not URM, with 16 callbacks (2/4 DC screeners). All my friends have done as well or better.

lol, mentioning the words "barely above median" and "male" and "white" as if being an above-average white male is some kind of disadvantage and you got 16 callbacks despite this 'disadvantage', good for you

Firms are targeting URMs and women because they are image-conscious and their partnerdoms are overwhelmingly white male. I really don't think median white guys are a hot commodity right now (unless it's bro culture).

White's still have a huge advantage over Asians, indians and immigrants. Which is a big chunk of the oci participation

I disagree with this. At least 1/2, if not 2/3, of my interviewers were Asian, Indian, or immigrants. I don't think I had an advantage over the Asian, Indian, or immigrant students they interviewed.

Most Asians and indians are uncle Chan's or uncle pradeeps who prefer white applicnsts. Especially Asians who have no sense of loyalty

[Anonymous User]

Maybe it's feast or famine? I'm barely above median at my t14, straight through, male, not URM, with 16 callbacks (2/4 DC screeners). All my friends have done as well or better.

lol, mentioning the words "barely above median" and "male" and "white" as if being an above-average white male is some kind of disadvantage and you got 16 callbacks despite this 'disadvantage', good for you

Firms are targeting URMs and women because they are image-conscious and their partnerdoms are overwhelmingly white male. I really don't think median white guys are a hot commodity right now (unless it's bro culture).

LOL multiple interviewers have explicitly compared me with their wife...

Did you get a CB?

[Anonymous User]

the bros have seemed to do well at my tx school too but i'm not surprised. i have had one female and female interview team and a bunch of all male teams where bro-ing down would have been very welcome.

[A. Nony Mouse]

I feel like the speculation about affirmative action in hiring is getting unproductive and distracting from the point of this thread. Try to keep the focus elsewhere.

[Hand]

Maybe it's feast or famine? I'm barely above median at my t14, straight through, male, not URM, with 16 callbacks (2/4 DC screeners). All my friends have done as well or better.

lol, mentioning the words "barely above median" and "male" and "white" as if being an above-average white male is some kind of disadvantage and you got 16 callbacks despite this 'disadvantage', good for you

Firms are targeting URMs and women because they are image-conscious and their partnerdoms are overwhelmingly white male. I really don't think median white guys are a hot commodity right now (unless it's bro culture).

White's still have a huge advantage over Asians, indians and immigrants. Which is a big chunk of the oci participation

I disagree with this. At least 1/2, if not 2/3, of my interviewers were Asian, Indian, or immigrants. I don't think I had an advantage over the Asian, Indian, or immigrant students they interviewed.

Most Asians and indians are uncle Chan's or uncle pradeeps who prefer white applicnsts. Especially Asians who have no sense of loyalty

This thread is taking a nice turn

[Anonymous User]

Very happy with Fordham experience. I know people say T14 or bust, but a huge number of Fordham students (even those outside of top 1/3 and Law Review) seemed to be getting callbacks and offers.

I was talking to a V30 partner at a CCN reception and he was talking about how the T14 or bust is BS and how he and his firm are increasingly looking for driven, ambitious students from other schools. He actually referred to Fordham specifically.

I wouldn't use this anecdote as some sort of trend in NY firms hiring less out of T14. At the large NYC firm I summered at, various partners, especially the partners who came from non-T14 schools, emphasized the importance of school prestige. Fordham was mentioned at a number of lunches, but not in the positive light mentioned above.

There were even instances where a partner would specifically ask for a "top school" summer to go with him/her to a negotiation or whatever because the opposing firm was bringing a summer from a brand name school. I specifically remember a G-Town summer working with a partner on a deal for a month, only to have the said partner ask recruiting to grab another summer (and the recruiting dept. sent a feeler out for availability to summers at higher ranked schools) to go meet the opposing firm. This was the most extreme case I saw this summer... and I was surprised that even GTown didn't cut it for this partner.

[Anonymous User]

LOL multiple interviewers have explicitly compared me with their wife...

This cuts both ways. I've been compared with many husbands.

ETA: also compared with several wives based on my interest so mine may be more of a grain of salt type thing

[Anonymous User]

I am of Asian descent.

There is no doubt in my mind, the bro act works... especially after I tell them I was in a non-ethnic fraternity. The body language and topic of conversation almost immediately change. If somehow I fail to bring on the bro act, they just assume I am another uptight Asian kid that only wants to talk about work and my credentials.

I had the same experiences during banking interviews in undergrad, even with non-white people.