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On Camus Interviews Callback Interview Offer Denial Forever Ruining Chances of Employment at that Firm

Postby goodman1 » Thu Jul 14, 2016 11:27 pm

Hello I am a transfer 2L at a t40-50. I have a question about 2L summer OCI. Is it possible that when you apply as a summer associate at a top law firm in the area/state/nation through OCI, you don't get pre-selected, and then when you apply again as a 3L at OCI at the same firm will they hold your rejection against you? It's kind of embarrassing to apply again when you did not get a pre-select. Does it ruin your chances forever with that firm?

Okay, now lets say you get a pre-select and a callback but you don't get an offer. Pretty much you were rejected at top law. Now, when you apply as an attorney or a 3L summer associate at that same top law firm which previously rejected you as a 2L summer associate, I am pretty sure that they will have your record and see that you did not make the cut. Does OCI rejection (either not getting a pre-select or an offer after a callback) forever ruin your chances at the top law firm which you have targeted, in the future? For example, lets say you apply through their website in the future will they hold the OCI cut against you? If this is the case, I would want to be careful where I send my bids and hopefully not target so many big law espically since I am a transfer as well. I don't want to ruin my chances because they may hold the rejection against me. If they don't want you the first time, why now?
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Re: On Camus Interviews Callback Interview Offer Denial Forever Ruining Chances of Employment at that Firm

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 14, 2016 11:36 pm

goodman1 wrote:Hello I am a transfer 2l at a t40-50. I have a question about 2L summer OCI. Is it possible that when you apply for top law firms in the area/state/nation, you don't get pre-selected, and then when you apply again as a 3L at OCI at the same firm will they hold your rejection against you? It's kind of embarrassing to apply again when you did not get a pre-select. Does it ruin your chances forever with that firm?

Okay, now lets say you get a pre-select and a callback but you don't get an offer. Pretty much you were rejected at top law. Now, when you apply as an attorney or a 3L summer associate at that same top law firm which rejected you as a summer associate, I am pretty sure that they will have your record and see that you did not make the cut. Does OCI rejection (either not getting a pre-select or an offer after a callback) forever ruin your chances at the top law firm which you have targeted, in the future? For example, lets say you apply through there website in the future will they hold the OCI cut against you? If this is the case, I would want to be careful where I send my bids and hopefully not target so many big law espically since I am a transfer as well. I don't want to ruin my chances because they may hold the rejection against me. If they don't want you the first time, why now?


I recently graduated from a T1 in a major market and did OCI as a 2L..

Scenario 1: I got a screener for a firm at OCI, no CB. As a 3L, I got a screener with the same firm, and then a CB the next week. No offer.

Scenario 2: I had a screener for a firm at OCI, got a CB, no offer. As a 3L, applied to the same firm, went straight to CB, offer the next day. During my 3L CB with the same group, had one of the same partners interview me. He remembered me, we bull shit for 30 mins.

Just interview to the best of your ability. If it doesn't work out, try again. Most firms won't care that you previously applied and we're rejected. Things/needs change.

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Re: On Camus Interviews Callback Interview Offer Denial Forever Ruining Chances of Employment at that Firm

Postby goodman1 » Thu Jul 14, 2016 11:51 pm

Good to know it worked out for you. Best of luck in your career!

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Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 15, 2016 12:20 am

I would say it doesn't matter. At least from my experience, during 2L OCI, I was flat-out rejected (not even a callback) for a lot of firms where I re-applied as a 3L and got offers.

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Postby goodman1 » Fri Jul 15, 2016 12:31 am

Excellent. Another good review. Good to know it went well.

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Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 15, 2016 12:49 am

My on campus interview died today. Or yesterday maybe, I don't know.


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Postby spyke123 » Fri Jul 15, 2016 1:23 am

No, absolutely no. Tons of people get offers as a 3L at firms that rejected them. I know several. And it's stupid to hold back during 2L OCI because you may want to do 3L OCI or lateral in the future. Why not just get an offer at firms you want as a 2L and just skip 3L OCI?..

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Postby goodman1 » Fri Jul 15, 2016 1:32 am

Op here. I thought you have to do a 3L OCI regardless because your 2L summer associate is for so long... And what is lateral? Sorry not familiar.
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Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 15, 2016 1:35 am

i had a piece of shit douchebag racist partner who interviewed me for like a minute during 2L then interviewed me 3L again. No CB on both. Some luck I have.

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Postby spyke123 » Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:26 am

goodman1 wrote:Op here. I thought you have to do a 3L OCI regardless because your 2L summer associate is for so long... And what is lateral? Sorry not familiar.


I am sorry but you seem to be seriously misinformed about the process. Most law students are hired as a full time associate through the 2L SA program. As in, your 2L SA firm will most likely extend you an offer to come back after graduation. 3L OCI is for people who struck out or those who want to switch firms for whatever reason.

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Postby goodman1 » Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:45 am

Makes perfect sense thank you.

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Postby goodman1 » Fri Jul 15, 2016 2:53 am

So if you want to work in big law is it necessary you get a SA at a big law firm? What if you don't get a SA and just end up working/clerking at a midsize local firm? My guess is your screwed Huh? I'm already screwed because I'm a transfer.. fml

Just read a few posts so 3L OCI does have a stigma attached to it; however, me lurking around there as a transfer student would probably reduce the stigma. Again after all I was a transfer student with no gpa whatsoever at the new law school. No way I could compete with the major law firms who show loyalty to their alma matter. However, during 3L OCI when I actually have a GPA at the new law school after 2L year, I would be better prepared. But i don't get how 3L OCI would function? Do they just tell you make good grades 3L year as well and pass the damn bar and your in?

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Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 15, 2016 8:25 am

Not about 3L Oci but I think still applicable. Applied to firm during 2L OCI and got nothing, no preselect no lottery. 1-2 weeks later I wasn't happy with other offer I got, so I said fuck it and sent an email to the recruiting person at firm I got denied at. I basically said unfortunately I couldn't interview with you, but I am still very interested in your firm, so if you could keep me in mind, yadda yadda.

Next day I get a CB invite and I get an offer following day. Their class luckily didn't get full from OCI and I was able to get in. Still at the firm as an associate.

Only awkward part of summer for me was when other SAs talked about their OCI interview and I had to say I didn't do one.

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Re: On Camus Interviews Callback Interview Offer Denial Forever Ruining Chances of Employment at that Firm

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 15, 2016 8:40 am

goodman1 wrote:So if you want to work in big law is it necessary you get a SA at a big law firm? What if you don't get a SA and just end up working/clerking at a midsize local firm? My guess is your screwed Huh? I'm already screwed because I'm a transfer.. fml

Just read a few posts so 3L OCI does have a stigma attached to it; however, me lurking around there as a transfer student would probably reduce the stigma. Again after all I was a transfer student with no gpa whatsoever at the new law school. No way I could compete with the major law firms who show loyalty to their alma matter. However, during 3L OCI when I actually have a GPA at the new law school after 2L year, I would be better prepared. But i don't get how 3L OCI would function? Do they just tell you make good grades 3L year as well and pass the damn bar and your in?


I'm the first anon who posted. The bolded is not true. I didn't have a 2L SA (I did a government internship 2L summer) and still got an offer. Two other classmates of mine worked for small firms and got big law offers 3L year.

Depending on where you go, 3L OCI either doesn't exist (and is basically you sending apps) or is smaller than 2L OCI. I can't speak to stigma-I didn't experience it myself when I was interviewing as a 3L, but I'm sure others have. I would talk to someone at your career services office to get a sense of what 3L OCI would like like at your school. And yeah, grades are always important.

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Re: On Camus Interviews Callback Interview Offer Denial Forever Ruining Chances of Employment at that Firm

Postby bwh8813 » Fri Jul 15, 2016 9:30 am

Anonymous User wrote:
goodman1 wrote:So if you want to work in big law is it necessary you get a SA at a big law firm? What if you don't get a SA and just end up working/clerking at a midsize local firm? My guess is your screwed Huh? I'm already screwed because I'm a transfer.. fml

Just read a few posts so 3L OCI does have a stigma attached to it; however, me lurking around there as a transfer student would probably reduce the stigma. Again after all I was a transfer student with no gpa whatsoever at the new law school. No way I could compete with the major law firms who show loyalty to their alma matter. However, during 3L OCI when I actually have a GPA at the new law school after 2L year, I would be better prepared. But i don't get how 3L OCI would function? Do they just tell you make good grades 3L year as well and pass the damn bar and your in?


I'm the first anon who posted. The bolded is not true. I didn't have a 2L SA (I did a government internship 2L summer) and still got an offer. Two other classmates of mine worked for small firms and got big law offers 3L year.

Depending on where you go, 3L OCI either doesn't exist (and is basically you sending apps) or is smaller than 2L OCI. I can't speak to stigma-I didn't experience it myself when I was interviewing as a 3L, but I'm sure others have. I would talk to someone at your career services office to get a sense of what 3L OCI would like like at your school. And yeah, grades are always important.


I was in the same boat. I opted for in-house F500 internship my 2L summer because I thought I didn't want Biglaw and struck out at Midlaw. Once I was actually working at the company, I realized that the only real way to most in-house jobs I would want was through a few years of Biglaw (the company was explicit from the start that they didn't hire straight from law school).

3L OCI was pretty much non-existent at my school, so I mass mailed. I ended up with a number of straight to callbacks and offers at all but one. I didn't sense any stigma, and explicitly asked if I would be disadvantaged or viewed any differently having not done a SA at the firm. I stopped asking that after 2 partners at different firms both said, "Not at all. Summers are a joke for the most part. You'll just know less people off the bat and be unfamiliar with the computer systems - both of which will change within the first week or two of working." Multiple V20 firms told me they were shifting toward smaller summer classes and more 3L hiring because a) it's dumb to hire the full class 2 years out, b) they could be more focused in hiring to groups with needs, and 3) they wanted to be able to get talented people who didn't like where they summered or changed their mind about Biglaw.

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Postby Kinky John » Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:15 am

Anonymous User wrote:My on campus interview died today. Or yesterday maybe, I don't know.


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Postby Anonymous User » Sat Jul 16, 2016 2:50 pm

My 2L GPA went down ever so slightly. Does that screw me over in this context? Interested in applying elsewhere for geographic and/or practice group reasons.

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Postby FascinatedWanderer » Sat Jul 16, 2016 3:02 pm

That was the most delightfully incoherent subject line ever. Possibly what's ruining your chances is your inability to make sense.



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