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Re: Duke Law OCI 2016 (c/o 2018)

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 11, 2016 5:08 pm

What's the general consensus on journal tiers?

Obviously DLJ 1st, but L&CP 2nd and the rest pretty much equal after that?

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Re: Duke Law OCI 2016 (c/o 2018)

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 11, 2016 5:09 pm

Are all journals being emailed out now? Are they finished contacting? Im losing my mind.

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Re: Duke Law OCI 2016 (c/o 2018)

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 11, 2016 5:14 pm

Anonymous User wrote:What's the general consensus on journal tiers?

Obviously DLJ 1st, but L&CP 2nd and the rest pretty much equal after that?


3L here and the "L&CP prestige" doesn't really exist in the job search. It's DLJ and then everything else well below it in terms of how it will help

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Re: Duke Law OCI 2016 (c/o 2018)

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 11, 2016 5:29 pm

Are journal emails released all at once, or is this like the LSAT where everyone will get an email today but at different times?

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Re: Duke Law OCI 2016 (c/o 2018)

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 11, 2016 5:48 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Are journal emails released all at once, or is this like the LSAT where everyone will get an email today but at different times?


Also how long does this whole thing take? If we haven't heard by now are we s%^& out of luck? When would it be panic time? Midnight, tomorrow morning, etc?

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Re: Duke Law OCI 2016 (c/o 2018)

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 11, 2016 5:51 pm

Are all the journal emails coming out at once? Didn't get anything. :cry:

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Re: Duke Law OCI 2016 (c/o 2018)

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 11, 2016 6:15 pm

The only report of a journal email I've heard of is on here, has anyone confirmed the emails are actually going out?

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Re: Duke Law OCI 2016 (c/o 2018)

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 11, 2016 6:21 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Anyone else get a journal email?


Which journal?

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Re: Duke Law OCI 2016 (c/o 2018)

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 11, 2016 6:21 pm

Anonymous User wrote:The only report of a journal email I've heard of is on here, has anyone confirmed the emails are actually going out?


Have you asked around?

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Re: Duke Law OCI 2016 (c/o 2018)

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 11, 2016 6:22 pm

3L here. Journal invites came out instaneously last year

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Re: Duke Law OCI 2016 (c/o 2018)

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 11, 2016 6:38 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Anyone else get a journal email?


Which journal?


I dunno I'm only asking because someone in my section had been saying 2L said journal emails are coming out

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Re: Duke Law OCI 2016 (c/o 2018)

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Anonymous User wrote:Anyone else get a journal email?


Which journal?


I dunno I'm only asking because someone in my section had been saying 2L said journal emails are coming out

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Re: Duke Law OCI 2016 (c/o 2018)

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 11, 2016 6:54 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Anyone else get a journal email?


Which journal?


I dunno I'm only asking because someone in my section had been saying 2L said journal emails are coming out


"Are coming out"= future tense? Or did this 2L actually receive a journal email?
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Re: Duke Law OCI 2016 (c/o 2018)

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:07 pm

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say they haven't come out yet. No way did all these fervent TLS-ers miss out on an invite

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Re: Duke Law OCI 2016 (c/o 2018)

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Serett wrote:GL chickadees

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Re: Duke Law OCI 2016 (c/o 2018)

Postby J9ofDiamonds » Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:15 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Question for rising 3Ls: did you find career services advice of looking primarily at the 25th percentile rather than the median of offer reports to be good advice?


YES, the medians are inflated by high performers


yes, I bid mostly using the 25th

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Re: Duke Law OCI 2016 (c/o 2018)

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:47 pm

So Journal gate was a dud I guess. Another day to stress about it tomorrow. Do any 3ls have an idea when we actually will know? Its very hard trying to get interviews and email apps out when we don't have journal info and every competing school does by now.

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Re: Duke Law OCI 2016 (c/o 2018)

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 11, 2016 9:44 pm

Anonymous User wrote:So Journal gate was a dud I guess. Another day to stress about it tomorrow. Do any 3ls have an idea when we actually will know? Its very hard trying to get interviews and email apps out when we don't have journal info and every competing school does by now.


Last year we got an email on July 11 (so one year ago today) that said "Journal invites will come by email at 10:00am tomorrow." And around 9:50am on July 12 the email was in my inbox. As somebody else mentioned, the exclusive journals will send their emails simultaneously. Whoever was saying they got an email today was stirring up panic - and did a good job of it from the looks of this thread.

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Re: Duke Law OCI 2016 (c/o 2018)

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 11, 2016 9:48 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:So Journal gate was a dud I guess. Another day to stress about it tomorrow. Do any 3ls have an idea when we actually will know? Its very hard trying to get interviews and email apps out when we don't have journal info and every competing school does by now.


Last year we got an email on July 11 (so one year ago today) that said "Journal invites will come by email at 10:00am tomorrow." And around 9:50am on July 12 the email was in my inbox. As somebody else mentioned, the exclusive journals will send their emails simultaneously. Whoever was saying they got an email today was stirring up panic - and did a good job of it from the looks of this thread.


Thanks. Ive heard journal stuff was delayed this year. Its just frustrating knowing literally every other top 12 school has journal decisions out and with the rapid rise of pre oci interviews this year we are at a hardcore disadvantage to say for example against Northwestern, who have known for over a month now and that is on their resumes

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Re: Duke Law OCI 2016 (c/o 2018)

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:50 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Thanks. Ive heard journal stuff was delayed this year. Its just frustrating knowing literally every other top 12 school has journal decisions out and with the rapid rise of pre oci interviews this year we are at a hardcore disadvantage to say for example against Northwestern, who have known for over a month now and that is on their resumes


You are NOT at a hardcore disadvantage. Pre-OCI interviews are not as big of a deal as people on TLS make it seem. VERY FEW people got pre-OCI offers last year. Most of those people would have still gotten V5 offers if they began interviewing at OCI in August. All firms (with the exception of Wachtell) like having Duke people. You'll be good.

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Re: Duke Law OCI 2016 (c/o 2018)

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Re: Duke Law OCI 2016 (c/o 2018)

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 12, 2016 2:43 am

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Anonymous User wrote:Thanks. Ive heard journal stuff was delayed this year. Its just frustrating knowing literally every other top 12 school has journal decisions out and with the rapid rise of pre oci interviews this year we are at a hardcore disadvantage to say for example against Northwestern, who have known for over a month now and that is on their resumes


You are NOT at a hardcore disadvantage. Pre-OCI interviews are not as big of a deal as people on TLS make it seem. VERY FEW people got pre-OCI offers last year. Most of those people would have still gotten V5 offers if they began interviewing at OCI in August. All firms (with the exception of Wachtell) like having Duke people. You'll be good.


What does Wachtell have against Duke people? Is it just that they like HYS types because they are so prestigious?

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Re: Duke Law OCI 2016 (c/o 2018)

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 12, 2016 7:48 am

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Anonymous User wrote:Thanks. Ive heard journal stuff was delayed this year. Its just frustrating knowing literally every other top 12 school has journal decisions out and with the rapid rise of pre oci interviews this year we are at a hardcore disadvantage to say for example against Northwestern, who have known for over a month now and that is on their resumes


You are NOT at a hardcore disadvantage. Pre-OCI interviews are not as big of a deal as people on TLS make it seem. VERY FEW people got pre-OCI offers last year. Most of those people would have still gotten V5 offers if they began interviewing at OCI in August. All firms (with the exception of Wachtell) like having Duke people. You'll be good.


What does Wachtell have against Duke people? Is it just that they like HYS types because they are so prestigious?


Wachtell is the only V10 (maybe the only V20? V30? V40? other than Quinn of course) that doesn't come to Duke OCI. At least they didn't come last year, IDK if that changed

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Re: Duke Law OCI 2016 (c/o 2018)

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 12, 2016 9:04 am

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Anonymous User wrote:Thanks. Ive heard journal stuff was delayed this year. Its just frustrating knowing literally every other top 12 school has journal decisions out and with the rapid rise of pre oci interviews this year we are at a hardcore disadvantage to say for example against Northwestern, who have known for over a month now and that is on their resumes


You are NOT at a hardcore disadvantage. Pre-OCI interviews are not as big of a deal as people on TLS make it seem. VERY FEW people got pre-OCI offers last year. Most of those people would have still gotten V5 offers if they began interviewing at OCI in August. All firms (with the exception of Wachtell) like having Duke people. You'll be good.


See I disagree. From the partners Ive talked to, this year is much more pre-oci driven. 1 v20 partner I have spoken to directly said his firm is moving towards a much more pre-oci heavy recruiting model this summer on purpose because they can cut down on recruiting expenses. He said last year it was a handful of firms- like 5 or so that were involved in pre-oci. Now its essentially at least 50 of the top 100 vault firms. It is no longer v5 places. I have a callback already lined up with a firm in the 60s of the vault ranking for next week. It seems clear that last year was dipping the proverbial toe in the water. This year it is a full on dive head first. I work with 13 interns including myself. 11 of the 13 already have had callbacks and or offers made. The range of schools from HYS to top 25 places like GW, and ND. Out of the 13, Duke is the only one without journal information. So it might not be a strong causation, but at least minimally it seems Duke is at a current disadvantage given the immense rise of pre-oci interviews this year compared to other years and the fact all these competing schools have journal information out.

These personal anecdotes also seem to appear talking to other Duke rising 2ls. Many people in their offices are getting callbacks already but Duke has so far been light on the callbacks in comparison to say UVA. One of the factors might be as I'm suggesting is that our resumes do not have journal info on them yet, while other competing schools do.

But to say that Pre-oci is not a big deal this year is not true. They are happening and it sucks. But to deny that its happening is to be ignorant.

Also to the poster above: Quinn has essentially gotten rid of their summer program. Now they are giving bonuses to rising 3ls to come work for them instead of paying 2ls for the summer.

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Re: Duke Law OCI 2016 (c/o 2018)

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 12, 2016 9:42 am

I'm a 3L so I guess I am ignorant to how this is working this year. :roll: Just apply now and email with your journal assignment.



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