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Re: Michigan OCI 2016

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jul 03, 2016 12:09 pm

If you got on law review, your choice has been made for you. And yes, being waitlisted is a thing. Basically, a few people may transfer / have transferred. People have gotten off the waitlist in the past.

Don't do law reform. Those people are traditionally the worst--"We're the number two journal!"

Consider not doing international because the cite checking on international stuff blows hard.

The rest all seem roughly equal. There's some variation, but it's largely a product of who is running the show.

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Re: Michigan OCI 2016

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jul 03, 2016 6:27 pm

Anonymous User wrote:If you got on law review, your choice has been made for you. And yes, being waitlisted is a thing. Basically, a few people may transfer / have transferred. People have gotten off the waitlist in the past.

Don't do law reform. Those people are traditionally the worst--"We're the number two journal!"

Consider not doing international because the cite checking on international stuff blows hard.

The rest all seem roughly equal. There's some variation, but it's largely a product of who is running the show.


2nd'ing the above. To add my $0.02:

Employers don't really care which secondary journal you're on, as long as you can defend your choice. Same goes for judges - some demand law review, others require a/any journal, and the rest don't even care if you're on one. At no point will your employment prospects hinge on which secondary journal you've chosen.

Grades are and will always be more important than any journal. If you're not on Law Review, try to pick a journal with as little work as possible, to leave yourself more time to study, do pro bono, or anything else that might actually matter.

I have a handful of friends on Law Reform and they uniformly bitched about it, all year. I've heard mixed reviews of the other journals, but I didn't hear a single good thing about Law Reform.

In addition to the time you'll spend on cite checking commitments, consider the value of the note process if you're interested in publishing. The MTTLR and MJIL processes were both pitched to me as "turn your note in and we'll publish it" which seems like a good way to attach your name to a shitty note. Also consider whether a blog track is offered if you don't really want to publish a note.

At the end of the day, culture matters. The work is going to be stupid and mindless, so you might as well join the one that has the most tolerable people or throws the best/most parties.

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Re: Michigan OCI 2016

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 04, 2016 8:04 am

Would really like to get the thoughts of 3L/recent grad on bidding on Chicago (probably no more than 5) with no Chicago ties (the rest will be New York). I know conventional wisdom/OCP is to not do this but I'd really prefer Chicago over in NY so I'd at least like to try.
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Re: Michigan OCI 2016

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:53 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Would really like to get the thoughts of 3L/recent grad on bidding on Chicago (probably no more than 5) with no Chicago ties (the rest will be New York). I no conventional wisdom/OCP is to not do this but I'd really prefer Chicago over in NY so I'd at least like to try.

So, to get a useful response, you really have to toss in an approximate GPA and an indication of whether you have good work experience (past employment as a paralegal, financial professional, consultant, engineer, etc.). The better your GPA, the more sense it makes to toss in some Chicago interviews. The closer you may be to getting no offered, the more sense it makes to focus on New York--especially without ties elsewhere.

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Re: Michigan OCI 2016

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 05, 2016 9:16 am

If I'm on the waitlist for a journal, would it be bad form to contact someone on the ed board to try and make a case for myself? I don't want to be "that guy" but I also don't want to miss out on an opportunity to express how interested I am in being on the journal...

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Re: Michigan OCI 2016

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 05, 2016 9:55 am

Anonymous User wrote:Would really like to get the thoughts of 3L/recent grad on bidding on Chicago (probably no more than 5) with no Chicago ties (the rest will be New York). I know conventional wisdom/OCP is to not do this but I'd really prefer Chicago over in NY so I'd at least like to try.


I think the conventional wisdom is stupid. If you really want Chicago then spend 10 your bids and do all reasonable firms.(if u have a 3.1 don't do Latham etc.) But it seems Chi cares allot about fit and committing to NYC if you don't want to live there is a mistake. The only people o know who wanted Chi and didn't get t were those who only did 5 bids and half assed their Chi networking

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Re: Michigan OCI 2016

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 05, 2016 5:32 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Would really like to get the thoughts of 3L/recent grad on bidding on Chicago (probably no more than 5) with no Chicago ties (the rest will be New York). I know conventional wisdom/OCP is to not do this but I'd really prefer Chicago over in NY so I'd at least like to try.


I think the conventional wisdom is stupid. If you really want Chicago then spend 10 your bids and do all reasonable firms.(if u have a 3.1 don't do Latham etc.) But it seems Chi cares allot about fit and committing to NYC if you don't want to live there is a mistake. The only people o know who wanted Chi and didn't get t were those who only did 5 bids and half assed their Chi networking

I know a couple graduates who struck out completely and would give their pinky fingers for $180,000 jobs, even if they were in New York. I think almost regardless of what your GPA is, if you prefer Chicago, you should probably put in some Chicago firms. 30 is a lot. But I also understand the logic that if you're concerned about being no-offered, on the margin, you're almost always increasing your odds of getting an offer by more with effort towards New York.

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Re: Michigan OCI 2016

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 06, 2016 8:40 am

Just a reminder, today's the deadline to have resumes uploaded!

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Re: Michigan OCI 2016

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 06, 2016 9:00 am

We just upload the resume to Simplicity under documents (like normal) right? No special drop box like the June 5th submission?

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Re: Michigan OCI 2016

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 06, 2016 9:05 am

Anonymous User wrote:We just upload the resume to Simplicity under documents (like normal) right? No special drop box like the June 5th submission?


Correct, it is just a normal upload. But if you are planning on using a different version for certain employers, you need to have all versions up today.

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Re: Michigan OCI 2016

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 06, 2016 9:10 am

I know we have to upload a resume by today, but I can't imagine there won't be a chance to submit another one/edit the original submission before OCI actually begins, right? I saw this as OCP just wanting to make sure people have uploaded resumes for worst-case scenario use.

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Re: Michigan OCI 2016

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 06, 2016 9:25 am

Anonymous User wrote:I know we have to upload a resume by today, but I can't imagine there won't be a chance to submit another one/edit the original submission before OCI actually begins, right? I saw this as OCP just wanting to make sure people have uploaded resumes for worst-case scenario use.


Wondering this as well since I haven't picked a secondary yet.

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Re: Michigan OCI 2016

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 06, 2016 9:33 am

According to the OCI Guide:
If you are admitted to a journal after July 6 or have split your summer you may upload a revised
resume after the deadline. You must upload the revised resume by noon on July 14 to allow enough
time for you to attach your new resume to any bids before the bidding deadline on July 14. PLEASE
MAKE CERTAIN THAT THE CORRECT RESUME IS ATTACHED TO YOUR BIDS. YOU CAN NOT EDIT THE
RESUME ATTACHED TO YOUR BIDS AFTER THE BIDDING DEADLINE. If you revise your resume after
the bidding deadline, give a copy of it to each interviewer.

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Re: Michigan OCI 2016

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 06, 2016 11:42 am

Will secondary journals ever take on someone who didn't apply? Would it be worth shooting an email to the ed boards of a few secondaries to try? I didn't make MLR and didn't manage to finish my secondary apps before the deadline...

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Re: Michigan OCI 2016

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 07, 2016 9:17 am

Bidding is now open!!!!

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Re: Michigan OCI 2016

Postby Vexed » Thu Jul 07, 2016 10:52 am

Anonymous User wrote:Will secondary journals ever take on someone who didn't apply? Would it be worth shooting an email to the ed boards of a few secondaries to try? I didn't make MLR and didn't manage to finish my secondary apps before the deadline...


At the risk of sounding like a dick, what on earth is the net-loss to you of writing an email to a few secondary ed boards? Worst they say is no, and the only thing you lose is like 5~ minutes of your time typing up the email.

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Re: Michigan OCI 2016

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 07, 2016 4:10 pm

What's up with Latham having 273 interview slots? Given that there were less 1L's than that, does it even make sense to rank it lower (closer to 1) than like 28-30?

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Re: Michigan OCI 2016

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 07, 2016 9:03 pm

Anonymous User wrote:What's up with Latham having 273 interview slots? Given that there were less 1L's than that, does it even make sense to rank it lower (closer to 1) than like 28-30?

It a reflection of how much they love you guys. And yeah, the firms with lots of people doing interviews, Latham, traditionally Skadden, K&E etc. usually not very difficult to get an OCI interview with.

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Re: Michigan OCI 2016

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 07, 2016 9:03 pm

oops

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Re: Michigan OCI 2016

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 07, 2016 11:42 pm

You can now get a clean, one page PDF of your unofficial transcript on Wolverine Access (instead of having to do a PDF version of the webpage).

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Re: Michigan OCI 2016

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:37 pm

Anonymous User wrote:You can now get a clean, one page PDF of your unofficial transcript on Wolverine Access (instead of having to do a PDF version of the webpage).


Those are clutch :D :D :D :D :D

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Re: Michigan OCI 2016

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 08, 2016 6:58 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:You can now get a clean, one page PDF of your unofficial transcript on Wolverine Access (instead of having to do a PDF version of the webpage).


Those are clutch :D :D :D :D :D


And for any graduates reading this thread, our latin honors are now posted on our unofficial transcripts.

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Re: Michigan OCI 2016

Postby EncyclopediaOrange » Sun Jul 10, 2016 3:09 pm

Anyone willing to share the GPA Qualifications Profiles?

Sincerely,

Desperate transfer who hasn't been given access to it yet.

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Re: Michigan OCI 2016

Postby Attrition » Sun Jul 10, 2016 4:04 pm

EncyclopediaOrange wrote:Anyone willing to share the GPA Qualifications Profiles?

Sincerely,

Desperate transfer who hasn't been given access to it yet.


^ I'm in the same boat. Anybody willing to pm/post would be dope

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Re: Michigan OCI 2016

Postby Attrition » Sun Jul 10, 2016 4:05 pm

EncyclopediaOrange wrote:Anyone willing to share the GPA Qualifications Profiles?

Sincerely,

Desperate transfer who hasn't been given access to it yet.


^ I'm in the same boat. Anybody willing to pm/post would be dope



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