NLJ 250 Placement 2016?! Forum

[wheatbar]

Usually the National Law Journal releases the associate placement at the 250 largest law firms right about now (or earlier - i.e. between February 22-24th normally). Does anyone know if they stopped doing it or will not release it this year? I wonder if they stopped because of the ABA employment statistics data that is now produced every year. It is important to note the NLJ data was important and needed because unlike the ABA data (which comes from the schools themselves and can be manipulated) they actually surveyed the firms to count 1st year ASSOCIATES whereas with the ABA data it can be employees of large firms who are not associates that still get counted (like contract attorneys, recruiters, other ancillary staff, etc.). Any one have info on this? Not sure why they haven't come out yet.

[jbagelboy]

After filing out the ABA questionnaire myself while drunk (and seeing my friend going to a V10 mark "unemployed" cause he-mad about school), I'm starting to regain my faith in NLJ; self-reported data is such a scam.

Then again, many of my most qualified classmates did everything in their power to avoid having to start at an "NLJ250" firm, so that data does a mediocre/poor job of capturing how well each school can actually get people jobs at those firms.

[MikeJD]

I think we get the list next week for sure.

[Biglaw1990]

April 7th is the due date, according to (http://www.americanbar.org/groups/legal ... naire.html), so we might not get the results for a while.

[Tiago Splitter]

April 7th is the due date, according to (http://www.americanbar.org/groups/legal ... naire.html), so we might not get the results for a while.

That's for schools to report. NLJ always collected results by surveying firms and released the list in February.

[wheatbar]

it will be really disappointing if the National Law Journal doesn't produce a list this year. The ABA data is not at all reliable because you have no idea what percentage of hires of large firms are actual associates and all of the data is self-reported not coming from the firms themselves.

[MikeJD]

National law journal just posted the NLJ 100 placement on their website but I can't get around the firewall like I use to before so I can't see it.

[Tiago Splitter]

The new cutoff makes it hard to compare across years but here is what we know:

1) Columbia 52.26
2) Penn 52.23
3) Chicago 52.04
4) Northwestern 47.02
5) Duke 46.19
6) NYU 44.54
7) Cornell 41.34
8 ) UVA 40.87
9) Stanford 40.72
10) Berkeley 38.13
11) Harvard

[Biglaw1990]

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[Leonardo DiCaprio]

bu... bu... but sixigan!

[zot1]

Bummer, I can't access it.

[Biglaw1990]

bu... bu... but sixigan!

[MikeJD]

gives us the full 250 and not just the 100.. DUMB.

[Tiago Splitter]

Is this confirmation that no one in the world has an NLJ subscription?

[chicago-gunner123]

gives us the full 250 and not just the 100.. DUMB.

Yeah, making it NLJ100 placement instead of 250 cuts out too many firms to be useful

[cookiejar1]

gives us the full 250 and not just the 100.. DUMB.

Yeah, making it NLJ100 placement instead of 250 cuts out too many firms to be useful

It's ridiculous. Here are some firms that are outside of the top 100 according to this link (which presumably is based off of the NLJ 250/350 data but I'm not 100% sure):

103. Cravath
109. Fried Frank
111. Jenner & Block
121. Schulte Roth & Zabel
137. Cahill Gordon
144. Williams & Connolly
155. Boies
167. Wachtell
210. MTO

[wheatbar]

Can someone post more that the top ten like maybe top 25 at least or preferably top 50 (or more). It would be much appreciated.

NLJ would probably be better off just incorporating ads instead of requiring membership for this data because obviously this is used most by perspective law students who have no reason to purchase an NLJ membership really except for getting this data.

[chicago-gunner123]

Can someone post more that the top ten like maybe top 25 at least or preferably top 50 (or more). It would be much appreciated.

NLJ would probably be better off just incorporating ads instead of requiring membership for this data because obviously this is used most by perspective law students who have no reason to purchase an NLJ membership really except for getting this data.

Here you go: http://www.nationallawjournal.com/home/id=1202751499299

The paywall seems to have been removed

[wheatbar]

Paywall is still there. Don't see that anything was changed or removed. If you can see it, can you list the full rankings please?

[zozo]

Full list is now visible:

Rank Law School | No. of Graduates to Largest 100 Firms | % of Graduates to Largest 100 Firms | U.S. News Rank

1 Columbia Law School 220 52.26% 4
2 university of pennsylvania law school 129 52.23% 7
3 University of Chicago Law School 102 52.04% 4
4 Northwestern University Pritzker School of Law 134 47.02% 12
5 Duke Law School 97 46.19% 8
6 New York University School of Law 216 44.54% 6
7 Cornell Law School 74 41.34% 13
8 University of Virginia School of Law 150 40.87% 8
9 Stanford Law School 79 40.72% 2
10 University of California, Berkeley School of Law 106 38.13% 8
11 Harvard Law School 220 37.29% 2
12 University of Michigan Law School 106 29.94% 11
13 Georgetown University Law Center 190 28.11% 14
14 University of California at Los Angeles School of Law 93 27.76% 16
15 University of Southern California Gould School of Law 54 25.23% 20
16 Boston University School of Law 52 25.00% 26
17 Yale Law School 50 23.58% 1
18 University of Texas School of Law 83 23.18% 15
19 Vanderbilt University Law School 39 21.08% 17
20 Boston College Law School 52 21.05% 34
21 Fordham University School of Law 80 19.51% 34
22 George Washington University Law School 80 17.35% 22
23 University of Notre Dame Law School 31 17.32% 22
24 College of William and Mary Marshall-Wythe School of Law 25 13.97% 29
25 Washington University in St. Louis School of Law 31 13.54% 18
26 University of Illinois College of Law 23 12.71% 41
27 University of North Carolina School of Law 29 12.50% 34
28 Southern Methodist University Dedman School of Law 29 12.08% 46
29 University of Houston Law Center 26 11.82% 59
30 University of Iowa College of Law 17 11.64% 22
31 University of California Hastings College of the Law 34 11.04% 59
32 Emory University School of Law 34 10.97% 19
33 Washington and Lee University School of Law 17 9.66% 42
34 Yeshiva University Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law 35 9.64% 75
35 University of Washington School of Law 18 9.42% 28
36 Brooklyn Law School 31 9.25% 78
37 Howard University School of Law 11 8.87% 110
38 Villanova University Charles Widger School of Law 18 8.37% 87
39 Temple University James E. Beasley School of Law 21 8.27% 52
40 University of California, Irvine University School of Law 9 8.18% 30
41 University of Minnesota Law School 19 7.79% 20
42 Ohio State University Michael E. Moritz College of Law 13 7.39% 34
43 Wake Forest University School of Law 10 7.25% 47
44 Indiana University Maurer School of Law—Bloomington 14 7.07% 34
45 Catholic University of America Columbus School of Law 9 6.34% 108
46 Loyola University Chicago School of Law 16 6.11% 78
47 Loyola Law School, Los Angeles 22 6.01% 75
48 University of California, Davis School of Law 11 5.91% 31
49 University of South Carolina School of Law 12 5.88% 94
50 University of Georgia School of Law 11 5.76% 31

[Leonardo DiCaprio]

12 University of Michigan Law School 106 29.94% 11
13 Georgetown University Law Center 190 28.11% 14
14 University of California at Los Angeles School of Law 93 27.76% 16
15 University of Southern California Gould School of Law 54 25.23% 20

Michigan is done here.

[zozo]

12 University of Michigan Law School 106 29.94% 11
13 Georgetown University Law Center 190 28.11% 14
14 University of California at Los Angeles School of Law 93 27.76% 16
15 University of Southern California Gould School of Law 54 25.23% 20

Michigan is done here.

Yeah, Michigan has been #13 in Biglaw + A3 clerkships each of the last 5 years. Definitely not a part of the elite T12.

[jbagelboy]

12 University of Michigan Law School 106 29.94% 11
13 Georgetown University Law Center 190 28.11% 14
14 University of California at Los Angeles School of Law 93 27.76% 16
15 University of Southern California Gould School of Law 54 25.23% 20

Michigan is done here.

"NLJ 100" is dumb
Most of the elite firms aren't even counted.

[BigZuck]

This just confirms what we've been thinking all along: B>>>>>>>H

[zozo]

12 University of Michigan Law School 106 29.94% 11
13 Georgetown University Law Center 190 28.11% 14
14 University of California at Los Angeles School of Law 93 27.76% 16
15 University of Southern California Gould School of Law 54 25.23% 20

Michigan is done here.

"NLJ 100" is dumb
Most of the elite firms aren't even counted.

To be fair, Michigan trails every T14 but GULC every year, by almost any elite jobs metric.