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How many screeners did you get from WUSTL programs?

Poll runs till Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:52 pm

0
5
20%
1-3
3
12%
3-7
8
32%
7-12
2
8%
12-20
2
8%
20-30
3
12%
30+
2
8%
 
Total votes: 25

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Re: WUSTL EIW + Off campus Programs 2015

Postby WheatThins » Fri Jul 17, 2015 11:49 am

bmmccb223 wrote:
hoos89 wrote:
bmmccb223 wrote:All I'm saying is that 500 is excessive unless you are in a really poor situation grade wise.


Don't make the mistake of thinking your grades will guarantee anything. You go to WUSTL, not the T14. Anyone can strike out with the right combination of bad luck and bad strategy. A significant chunk of people who end up going to big law will have exactly one offer. The line between going 0/20 and 1/20 at OCI is pretty thin.


Look, I'm not discounting the value of mass-mailing, but I think it is a technique least adapted to getting you a job. 500 is just extreme and seems necessarily geared to getting you in an awkward position of getting interviews at firms for which you have no interest in working. I mean-what kind of firms are you applying to at 500?? I'd rather not practice law than practice at some third-tier firm that pays little and slowly drains my soul over the next decades of my career. Again, people may be in a situation in which they have no other choice, but I think most law students would be much better off taking a more focused approach to job applications.


So don't mass mail, no one cares. But for other people looking for a firm job - you should be mailing every firm where you could imagine yourself working. It's easier to cancel interviews once you have an offer than to schedule them after it's too late.

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Re: WUSTL EIW + Off campus Programs 2015

Postby hoos89 » Fri Jul 17, 2015 12:13 pm

Also I'm including multiple offices of the same firm that have different recruiters. Some would tell you not to do this, but I got a few interviews at firms I did that for. Caveat: if you want an insular market like St. Louis, probably just apply to the St Louis offices of Bryan Cave, Husch, etc (to be clear: still apply to tons of firms outside that city).

I'm not suggesting that you mass mail some 40 attorney ID shop in Tampa or something, but it's really not that hard to churn up 500 decent firms/offices with unique recruiters. The Am Law alone gives you 300 unique firms that I assure you all beat the hell out of unemployment.

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Re: WUSTL EIW + Off campus Programs 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 17, 2015 2:57 pm

Do employers actually understand our grading system? Say one has a 3.1 in a class. do employers realize that grade is basically the very bottom of the class?

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Re: WUSTL EIW + Off campus Programs 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 17, 2015 5:23 pm

chingwoo wrote:
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Anonymous User wrote:Chicago is out. Ropes may have selections left. Look at the number next to the firm. That's how many interviews are unscheduled.


I'm not sure what that number means, because most of the firms (including the NY/DC ones) still have slots available. Also, almost every Chicago firm still has interview slots available. Either they are going to be making some additional selections today (deadline is 20th) or they are not going to take the number they indicated on Symplicity.


It means that people are preselected for those slots but haven't scheduled. These are most likely people transferring, (and maybe people working abroad).

Its unclear what happens to those slots afterwards.


Those slots go to alternates....they just sent out notices for at least some of the firms because the slots are going away.

If there are any slots after that, then I'm not sure if they just leave them open or re-evaluate....my guess is between pre-selects and alternates there are rarely slots left.

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Re: WUSTL EIW + Off campus Programs 2015

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Re: WUSTL EIW + Off campus Programs 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 17, 2015 7:32 pm

This job thing is hard.
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Re: WUSTL EIW + Off campus Programs 2015

Postby bmmccb223 » Fri Jul 17, 2015 9:50 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Do employers actually understand our grading system? Say one has a 3.1 in a class. do employers realize that grade is basically the very bottom of the class?


If you were to have such a GPA, I'd advise dropping out. And yes, employers realize a 3.1 is a **** GPA. What kind of ridiculous question is that?

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Re: WUSTL EIW + Off campus Programs 2015

Postby hoos89 » Fri Jul 17, 2015 10:07 pm

bmmccb223 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Do employers actually understand our grading system? Say one has a 3.1 in a class. do employers realize that grade is basically the very bottom of the class?


If you were to have such a GPA, I'd advise dropping out. And yes, employers realize a 3.1 is a **** GPA. What kind of ridiculous question is that?


No need to kick people while they're down.

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Re: WUSTL EIW + Off campus Programs 2015

Postby Banshee » Sat Jul 18, 2015 12:11 am

hoos89 wrote:
bmmccb223 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Do employers actually understand our grading system? Say one has a 3.1 in a class. do employers realize that grade is basically the very bottom of the class?


If you were to have such a GPA, I'd advise dropping out. And yes, employers realize a 3.1 is a **** GPA. What kind of ridiculous question is that?


No need to kick people while they're down.


It's just a grade in one class, right? As long as the other grades are okay it may not matter too much. But, you need to have a really good answer prepared for why the grade was so low in that one class.
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Re: WUSTL EIW + Off campus Programs 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:48 am

XO_MissCourtney wrote:
hoos89 wrote:
bmmccb223 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Do employers actually understand our grading system? Say one has a 3.1 in a class. do employers realize that grade is basically the very bottom of the class?


If you were to have such a GPA, I'd advise dropping out. And yes, employers realize a 3.1 is a **** GPA. What kind of ridiculous question is that?


No need to kick people while they're down.


It's just a grade in one class, right? As long as the other grades are okay it may not matter too much. But, you need to have a really good prepared answer for why the grade was so low in that one class.


OP here. I was just wondering whether this looked like I "failed a class" versus a "random slightly below median grade" It's my lowest grade by like .4 so I was wondering the perception of employers.

If I had a situation where I couldn't transfer I would have dropped out.
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Re: WUSTL EIW + Off campus Programs 2015

Postby hoos89 » Sat Jul 18, 2015 2:16 am

I doubt employers will think this looks like you failed. Our grading scale is weird, and while employers who come to OCI get accustomed to it, I still don't think most employers realize how low a 3.1 is, and I doubt any would assume it is lower than it actually is. Part of the nature of the grading scale now is that it bunches grades together. A 0.4 difference from the rest of your grades doesn't look like some crazy outlier. That grade alone is unlikely to hold you back any more than its effect on your GPA (i.e. if your GPA is otherwise passable, people aren't likely to ding you for that grade).

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Re: WUSTL EIW + Off campus Programs 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:02 am

I had a 3.2 and an otherwise solid GPA and in probably 40 interviews not one person brought it up. I talked to a friend that had a low LP grade brought up, but my low grade never was. If your GPA is otherwise competitive I doubt anyone will care too much.

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Re: WUSTL EIW + Off campus Programs 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Jul 18, 2015 11:54 am

Similar situation. I had a 3.2 in a first semester 1L class and it only hurt me to the extent that it dragged down my GPA. Never got brought up at OCI, and the only time it's ever been mentioned in an interview was a clerkship interview where the judge pulled out one of my LoRs and quoted where one of my professors essentially said the grade was bullshit and that professor sucks (in not so many words).

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Re: WUSTL EIW + Off campus Programs 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Jul 18, 2015 11:56 am

Different Anon here. Did the low LP grade torpedo his apps? I have north of a 3.7 but my two semester LP average is a 3.16 so I am slightly worried.

Also fuck LP...

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Re: WUSTL EIW + Off campus Programs 2015

Postby hoos89 » Sat Jul 18, 2015 12:14 pm

Are you saying you have a 3.16 or slightly over a 3.7? Are you a rising 3L? I'm a bit confused here.

Employers will see your cumulative GPA first and foremost. Individual bad grades are unlikely to screw you (in addition to how much they drag down your cumulative GPA) unless they're actual Fs.

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Re: WUSTL EIW + Off campus Programs 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Jul 18, 2015 12:28 pm

hoos89 wrote:Are you saying you have a 3.16 or slightly over a 3.7? Are you a rising 3L? I'm a bit confused here.

Employers will see your cumulative GPA first and foremost. Individual bad grades are unlikely to screw you (in addition to how much they drag down your cumulative GPA) unless they're actual Fs.


Rising 2L. Cumulative gpa is greater than a 3.7. I got a 3.28 one semester and a 3.04 in another semester for LP.

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Re: WUSTL EIW + Off campus Programs 2015

Postby hoos89 » Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:44 pm

Oh I thought you meant Low Pass, which was confusing the hell out of me. I'm assuming your doctrinal grades are pretty good if you still have over a 3.7.

I'm guessing you're top 1/4? You're in a somewhat precarious position (particularly if not from St. Louis), but I don't think your LP grades will knock you over the edge. Mass-mail your butt off and hope for the best.

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Re: WUSTL EIW + Off campus Programs 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jul 19, 2015 7:02 pm

For OCI or an all-day consortium.....any advice or strategy on time of day for interviews?

Looking for advice, thoughts, strategy on....scheduling (early in the day vs. late)......should you approach an interview in the morning different than one in the late afternoon....etc.....

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Re: WUSTL EIW + Off campus Programs 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jul 19, 2015 7:56 pm

Anyone doing the St. Louis Diversity Job fair?

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Re: WUSTL EIW + Off campus Programs 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:21 am

Anonymous User wrote:For OCI or an all-day consortium.....any advice or strategy on time of day for interviews?

Looking for advice, thoughts, strategy on....scheduling (early in the day vs. late)......should you approach an interview in the morning different than one in the late afternoon....etc.....


Depends. As a girl I always shoot for the afternoon slots because of all the time I have to spend to get interview ready. Scheduled my most wanted firm for the slot directly after lunch, when the interviewer just had a mental break and isn't hangry

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Re: WUSTL EIW + Off campus Programs 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:42 am

So, we should be getting TX OCI and the beginnings of EIW today, right?

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Re: WUSTL EIW + Off campus Programs 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:54 am

Correct. WUSTL's EIW changed from bids submitted to pending. (unfortunately cso disabled the with invitations trick).

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Re: WUSTL EIW + Off campus Programs 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:07 am

Out so far:

Hunton
Cadwalader
Locke Lord
Shook
Thompson Hine

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Re: WUSTL EIW + Off campus Programs 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:14 am

hmm my with invitations thing still seems to be working

to add to the list, I'm also seeing: Polsinelli, Fennemore Craig

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Re: WUSTL EIW + Off campus Programs 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:21 am

Husch Blackwell
Lathrop & Gage




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