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Re: Northwestern OCI 2015

Postby moneyball026 » Wed Jul 22, 2015 11:14 am

Anonymous User wrote:I plan on massmailing extensively


dont plan on massmailing extensively, massmail extensively right now. do or do not. there is no plan.

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Re: Northwestern OCI 2015

Postby Micdiddy » Wed Jul 22, 2015 11:56 am

moneyball026 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I plan on massmailing extensively


dont plan on massmailing extensively, massmail extensively right now. do or do not. there is no plan.


Yeah massmails should have already begun. Anyone who hasn't started, start.

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Re: Northwestern OCI 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 22, 2015 1:21 pm

All Chi unless otherwise listed. Wanted lit but can express openness to transnational if it means an offer. 3.58. want CHI very much, would consider Portland. Portland is obviously going to be more mass-mailing. I do have an interview with a PDX firm through PLIP. I realize it's going to be tough but my spouse will leave me if I uproot us to NYC.

    1 Schiff Hardin
    2 Jones Day
    3 K&L Gates
    4 Katten
    5 Jenner and Block
    6 Latham
    7 Kirkland and Ellis
    8 Vedder Price
    9 Locke Lorde
    10 Winston
    11 Edelson
    12 Sidley Austin
    13 Foley
    14 Holland and Knight (CHI AND PDX)
    15 Perkins Coie
    16 Mayer Brown
    17 Reed Smith
    18 Skadden
    19 Quarles
    20 Dentons
    21 Ropes and Gray
    22 Marshall Gerstein
    23 Seyfarth Shaw
    24 Shook Hardy
    25 Drinker Biddle
    26 Dykeme Gossett
    27 DLA Piper
    28 Greenberg Traurig
    29 Mcdermott Will
    30 Barrack Ferrazzano
    31 Faegre Baker Daniels
    32 Morgan Lewis
    33 Pattishall Mchauliffe
    34 Thompson Coburn
    35 Hansen Reynolds
    36 Donahue Brown
    37 Willkie (NY)
    38 Schulte (NY
    39 Milkbank (NY)
    40. ??

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Re: Northwestern OCI 2015

Postby lhanvt13 » Wed Jul 22, 2015 2:51 pm

Anonymous User wrote:All Chi unless otherwise listed. Wanted lit but can express openness to transnational if it means an offer. 3.58. want CHI very much, would consider Portland. Portland is obviously going to be more mass-mailing. I do have an interview with a PDX firm through PLIP. I realize it's going to be tough but my spouse will leave me if I uproot us to NYC.

    1 Schiff Hardin
    2 Jones Day
    3 K&L Gates
    4 Katten
    5 Jenner and Block
    6 Latham
    7 Kirkland and Ellis
    8 Vedder Price
    9 Locke Lorde
    10 Winston
    11 Edelson
    12 Sidley Austin
    13 Foley
    14 Holland and Knight (CHI AND PDX)
    15 Perkins Coie
    16 Mayer Brown
    17 Reed Smith
    18 Skadden
    19 Quarles
    20 Dentons
    21 Ropes and Gray
    22 Marshall Gerstein
    23 Seyfarth Shaw
    24 Shook Hardy
    25 Drinker Biddle
    26 Dykeme Gossett
    27 DLA Piper
    28 Greenberg Traurig
    29 Mcdermott Will
    30 Barrack Ferrazzano
    31 Faegre Baker Daniels
    32 Morgan Lewis
    33 Pattishall Mchauliffe
    34 Thompson Coburn
    35 Hansen Reynolds
    36 Donahue Brown
    37 Willkie (NY)
    38 Schulte (NY
    39 Milkbank (NY)
    40. ??

you'll prob miss sidley and MAYBE kirkland.

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Re: Northwestern OCI 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:00 pm

Completely disagree with the above. Based on the aggregate of the last three years, you'll definitely get Kirkland though probably not Sidley.

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Re: Northwestern OCI 2015

Postby moneyball026 » Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:07 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Completely disagree with the above. Based on the aggregate of the last three years, you'll definitely get Kirkland though probably not Sidley.


TIL: the word "completely" actually means "slightly"

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Re: Northwestern OCI 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:22 pm

Can't remember exactly, but I got Kirkland two years ago at like 16 and Sidley around the same fwiw.

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Re: Northwestern OCI 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 22, 2015 8:00 pm

Critiques please. I have no idea what I'm doing. 3.78, want lit in NY or DC (with some CA thrown in at the end...just because).

(the number in parenthesis is the number of interview slots the firm has available in other cities/offices. I feel like this is a relevant metric in looking at where to rank the firm.)

1. Debevoise & Plimpton / NY / 20
2. Gibson Dunn / NY / 20
3. Skadden / NY / 20 (80)
4. Davis Polk / NY / 20
5. Paul Weiss / NY / 40
6. Cravath / NY / 36
7. Sidley Austin / NY / 20 (140)
8. Sullivan & Cromwell / NY / 40
9. Wilmerhale / NY / 20 (40)
10. Wilmerhale / DC / 20 (40)
11. Cleary Gottlieb / NY / 40 (18)
12. Simpson Thacher / NY / 40 / (20)
13. O’Melveny & [deleted] / NY / 20 (40)
14. Morrison & Foerster / NY / 20
15. Covington & Burling / DC / 20
16. Jones Day / DC / 20 (80)
17. Sidley Austin / DC / 20 (140)
18. Winston and Strawn / NY / 20
19. Mayer Brown / NY / 20
20. Kaye Scholer / NY / 20
21. Weil, Gotshal & Manges / NY / 60 (20)
22. Cadwalader Wickersham & Taft / NY / 40
23. Willkie Farr & Gallagher / NY / 40
24. Cooley / NY / 40
25. Milbank Tweed Hadley & Mccloy / NY / 40
26. Shearman and Sterling / NY / 40
27. Jones Day / NY / 20 (80)
28. DLA Piper / DC / 20
29. Proskauer / NY / 20 (40)
30. Skadden / LA / 20 (80)
31. Kirkland / SF / 40 (111)
32. Perkins Coie / CA / 40 (40)
33. Sidley Austin / LA / 20 (140)
34. Cleary / DC / 18 (40NY)
35. Cahill Gordon & Reindel / NY / 20
36. Freshfields Bruckhaus Deringer / NY / 20
37. Schiff Hardin / DC / 80
38. Baker Botts / NY / 40
39. Paul Hastings / NY / 20 (60)
40. Reed Smith / NY / 20
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Re: Northwestern OCI 2015

Postby sener212 » Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:47 pm

Micdiddy wrote:
moneyball026 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I plan on massmailing extensively


dont plan on massmailing extensively, massmail extensively right now. do or do not. there is no plan.


Yeah massmails should have already begun. Anyone who hasn't started, start.


I'll make a statement that others will probably disagree with heavily, but I'll say it anyway just to put in my two cents. Mass mailing is generally totally ineffective and a waste of time. I'm sure one person every so offer gets an SA from a big law firm through mass mailing, but I didn't know anyone like that from my class. You get SA jobs from OCI and other job fairs (OTIP, PLSF (is that what it's called?), etc.). Big law firms already see more than enough candidates to fill their classes from these functions. Generally, if you're getting an SA at a large law firm through mass mailing, you are an outstanding candidate, and you would've already got a big law firm gig anyway.

This does not apply to non-large law firms. I think mass mailing can work with these places; but they generally operate on a different schedule and through different hiring process than large law firms. These smaller firms aren't looking for mass mail stuff from a a rising 2L in July.

I'm sure there are exceptions, and it's true there is no downside to mass mailing, but just wanted to give some perspective here.

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Re: Northwestern OCI 2015

Postby Cobretti » Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:06 am

sener212 wrote:I'll make a statement that others will probably disagree with heavily, but I'll say it anyway just to put in my two cents. Mass mailing is generally totally ineffective and a waste of time. I'm sure one person every so offer gets an SA from a big law firm through mass mailing, but I didn't know anyone like that from my class. You get SA jobs from OCI and other job fairs (OTIP, PLSF (is that what it's called?), etc.). Big law firms already see more than enough candidates to fill their classes from these functions. Generally, if you're getting an SA at a large law firm through mass mailing, you are an outstanding candidate, and you would've already got a big law firm gig anyway.

This does not apply to non-large law firms. I think mass mailing can work with these places; but they generally operate on a different schedule and through different hiring process than large law firms. These smaller firms aren't looking for mass mail stuff from a a rising 2L in July.

I'm sure there are exceptions, and
it's true there is no downside to mass mailing, but just wanted to give some perspective here.


And from just a couple pages back.....

Anonymous User wrote:I struck out at OCI, but was super lucky to get a job through mass mailing (literally got one offer).


If you're median just do it.

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Re: Northwestern OCI 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:23 am

I have a 3.3X and I want to work in Chicago or somewhere on the west coast. I am from the midwest. I do not want to work in New York, and I am willing to risk striking out. My guess is that I should not bid on SF/SJ because I do not have enough ties and that I should focus solely on Chicago for OCI. How should I bid OCI? Also, I would be happy with living in minneapolis/madison/seattle/portland/denver/bay area. Should I mass mail there?

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Re: Northwestern OCI 2015

Postby moneyball026 » Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:58 am

Anonymous User wrote:Critiques please. I have no idea what I'm doing. 3.78, want lit in NY or DC (with some CA thrown in at the end...just because).

(the number in parenthesis is the number of interview slots the firm has available in other cities/offices. I feel like this is a relevant metric in looking at where to rank the firm.)

1. Debevoise & Plimpton / NY / 20
2. Gibson Dunn / NY / 20
3. Skadden / NY / 20 (80)
4. Davis Polk / NY / 20
5. Paul Weiss / NY / 40
6. Cravath / NY / 36
7. Sidley Austin / NY / 20 (140)
8. Sullivan & Cromwell / NY / 40
9. Wilmerhale / NY / 20 (40)
10. Wilmerhale / DC / 20 (40)
11. Cleary Gottlieb / NY / 40 (18)
12. Simpson Thacher / NY / 40 / (20)
13. O’Melveny & [deleted] / NY / 20 (40)
14. Morrison & Foerster / NY / 20
15. Covington & Burling / DC / 20
16. Jones Day / DC / 20 (80)
17. Sidley Austin / DC / 20 (140)
18. Winston and Strawn / NY / 20
19. Mayer Brown / NY / 20
20. Kaye Scholer / NY / 20
21. Weil, Gotshal & Manges / NY / 60 (20)
22. Cadwalader Wickersham & Taft / NY / 40
23. Willkie Farr & Gallagher / NY / 40
24. Cooley / NY / 40
25. Milbank Tweed Hadley & Mccloy / NY / 40
26. Shearman and Sterling / NY / 40
27. Jones Day / NY / 20 (80)
28. DLA Piper / DC / 20
29. Proskauer / NY / 20 (40)
30. Skadden / LA / 20 (80)
31. Kirkland / SF / 40 (111)
32. Perkins Coie / CA / 40 (40)
33. Sidley Austin / LA / 20 (140)
34. Cleary / DC / 18 (40NY)
35. Cahill Gordon & Reindel / NY / 20
36. Freshfields Bruckhaus Deringer / NY / 20
37. Schiff Hardin / DC / 80
38. Baker Botts / NY / 40
39. Paul Hastings / NY / 20 (60)
40. Reed Smith / NY / 20

Let's move debevoise down a few notches but still in the top 5, put gibson 1 and skadden 2. Cravath can be moved down to about 10-12 very safely and it's a reach for you anyway so no use wasting that high a bid there. Move weil up a fair amount. Note about Sidley: you are going to need to pick 1 office and stick to it - they will ask in each office's interview which office you want so the other interviews at your 2nd choice office are basically wasted. I suggest their DC office if you want lit, & that way you arent wasting a top 10 bid with sidley NY. cooley will need to be moved up, probably to the top 10. simpson should be higher, also top 10. you can knock wilmer down a bit, but if you REALLY want it, keep it top 15 to be completely risk adverse. unless you're hell bent on NY, i'd think about moving some of the DC firms you have down low up to the 20s or late teens. you shouldnt have too big a problem securing cb from NYv10 with your GPA, so get a little bold with the bidding as long as you have those safeties sprinkled in.

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Re: Northwestern OCI 2015

Postby Slow Your Roll » Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:46 am

moneyball026 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Critiques please. I have no idea what I'm doing. 3.78, want lit in NY or DC (with some CA thrown in at the end...just because).

(the number in parenthesis is the number of interview slots the firm has available in other cities/offices. I feel like this is a relevant metric in looking at where to rank the firm.)

1. Debevoise & Plimpton / NY / 20
2. Gibson Dunn / NY / 20
3. Skadden / NY / 20 (80)
4. Davis Polk / NY / 20
5. Paul Weiss / NY / 40
6. Cravath / NY / 36
7. Sidley Austin / NY / 20 (140)
8. Sullivan & Cromwell / NY / 40
9. Wilmerhale / NY / 20 (40)
10. Wilmerhale / DC / 20 (40)
11. Cleary Gottlieb / NY / 40 (18)
12. Simpson Thacher / NY / 40 / (20)
13. O’Melveny & [deleted] / NY / 20 (40)
14. Morrison & Foerster / NY / 20
15. Covington & Burling / DC / 20
16. Jones Day / DC / 20 (80)
17. Sidley Austin / DC / 20 (140)
18. Winston and Strawn / NY / 20
19. Mayer Brown / NY / 20
20. Kaye Scholer / NY / 20
21. Weil, Gotshal & Manges / NY / 60 (20)
22. Cadwalader Wickersham & Taft / NY / 40
23. Willkie Farr & Gallagher / NY / 40
24. Cooley / NY / 40
25. Milbank Tweed Hadley & Mccloy / NY / 40
26. Shearman and Sterling / NY / 40
27. Jones Day / NY / 20 (80)
28. DLA Piper / DC / 20
29. Proskauer / NY / 20 (40)
30. Skadden / LA / 20 (80)
31. Kirkland / SF / 40 (111)
32. Perkins Coie / CA / 40 (40)
33. Sidley Austin / LA / 20 (140)
34. Cleary / DC / 18 (40NY)
35. Cahill Gordon & Reindel / NY / 20
36. Freshfields Bruckhaus Deringer / NY / 20
37. Schiff Hardin / DC / 80
38. Baker Botts / NY / 40
39. Paul Hastings / NY / 20 (60)
40. Reed Smith / NY / 20

Let's move debevoise down a few notches but still in the top 5, put gibson 1 and skadden 2. Cravath can be moved down to about 10-12 very safely and it's a reach for you anyway so no use wasting that high a bid there. Move weil up a fair amount. Note about Sidley: you are going to need to pick 1 office and stick to it - they will ask in each office's interview which office you want so the other interviews at your 2nd choice office are basically wasted. I suggest their DC office if you want lit, & that way you arent wasting a top 10 bid with sidley NY. cooley will need to be moved up, probably to the top 10. simpson should be higher, also top 10. you can knock wilmer down a bit, but if you REALLY want it, keep it top 15 to be completely risk adverse. unless you're hell bent on NY, i'd think about moving some of the DC firms you have down low up to the 20s or late teens. you shouldnt have too big a problem securing cb from NYv10 with your GPA, so get a little bold with the bidding as long as you have those safeties sprinkled in.



Wilmerhale DC can be moved to the 15-20 range and still safely get it.

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Re: Northwestern OCI 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:48 am

moneyball026 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Critiques please. I have no idea what I'm doing. 3.78, want lit in NY or DC (with some CA thrown in at the end...just because).

(the number in parenthesis is the number of interview slots the firm has available in other cities/offices. I feel like this is a relevant metric in looking at where to rank the firm.)

1. Debevoise & Plimpton / NY / 20
2. Gibson Dunn / NY / 20
3. Skadden / NY / 20 (80)
4. Davis Polk / NY / 20
5. Paul Weiss / NY / 40
6. Cravath / NY / 36
7. Sidley Austin / NY / 20 (140)
8. Sullivan & Cromwell / NY / 40
9. Wilmerhale / NY / 20 (40)
10. Wilmerhale / DC / 20 (40)
11. Cleary Gottlieb / NY / 40 (18)
12. Simpson Thacher / NY / 40 / (20)
13. O’Melveny & [deleted] / NY / 20 (40)
14. Morrison & Foerster / NY / 20
15. Covington & Burling / DC / 20
16. Jones Day / DC / 20 (80)
17. Sidley Austin / DC / 20 (140)
18. Winston and Strawn / NY / 20
19. Mayer Brown / NY / 20
20. Kaye Scholer / NY / 20
21. Weil, Gotshal & Manges / NY / 60 (20)
22. Cadwalader Wickersham & Taft / NY / 40
23. Willkie Farr & Gallagher / NY / 40
24. Cooley / NY / 40
25. Milbank Tweed Hadley & Mccloy / NY / 40
26. Shearman and Sterling / NY / 40
27. Jones Day / NY / 20 (80)
28. DLA Piper / DC / 20
29. Proskauer / NY / 20 (40)
30. Skadden / LA / 20 (80)
31. Kirkland / SF / 40 (111)
32. Perkins Coie / CA / 40 (40)
33. Sidley Austin / LA / 20 (140)
34. Cleary / DC / 18 (40NY)
35. Cahill Gordon & Reindel / NY / 20
36. Freshfields Bruckhaus Deringer / NY / 20
37. Schiff Hardin / DC / 80
38. Baker Botts / NY / 40
39. Paul Hastings / NY / 20 (60)
40. Reed Smith / NY / 20

Let's move debevoise down a few notches but still in the top 5, put gibson 1 and skadden 2. Cravath can be moved down to about 10-12 very safely and it's a reach for you anyway so no use wasting that high a bid there. Move weil up a fair amount. Note about Sidley: you are going to need to pick 1 office and stick to it - they will ask in each office's interview which office you want so the other interviews at your 2nd choice office are basically wasted. I suggest their DC office if you want lit, & that way you arent wasting a top 10 bid with sidley NY. cooley will need to be moved up, probably to the top 10. simpson should be higher, also top 10. you can knock wilmer down a bit, but if you REALLY want it, keep it top 15 to be completely risk adverse. unless you're hell bent on NY, i'd think about moving some of the DC firms you have down low up to the 20s or late teens. you shouldnt have too big a problem securing cb from NYv10 with your GPA, so get a little bold with the bidding as long as you have those safeties sprinkled in.


Thanks. Is Sidley the only firm that asks that question? (I also have two offices from Cleary, Skadden, and Wilmerhale)

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Re: Northwestern OCI 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 23, 2015 12:09 pm

At median GPA. Started mass-mailing two weeks ago. Just got a CB scheduled. It's real life. Do it if you haven't started.

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Re: Northwestern OCI 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 23, 2015 12:28 pm

If I have a 3.8x gpa and want to work transactional in NY, do I have to massmail, and who would I massmail if i should?

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Re: Northwestern OCI 2015

Postby Cobretti » Thu Jul 23, 2015 12:31 pm

Anonymous User wrote:If I have a 3.8x gpa and want to work transactional in NY, do I have to massmail, and who would I massmail if i should?

No, you're going to have an easy time at oci.

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Re: Northwestern OCI 2015

Postby Cobretti » Thu Jul 23, 2015 12:32 pm

Anonymous User wrote:At median GPA. Started mass-mailing two weeks ago. Just got a CB scheduled. It's real life. Do it if you haven't started.

Well done!

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Re: Northwestern OCI 2015

Postby moneyball026 » Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:06 pm

Anonymous User wrote: Is Sidley the only firm that asks that question? (I also have two offices from Cleary, Skadden, and Wilmerhale)


Sidley is the only one that I have personally experienced. Not sure about the others.

As for above comments regarding 3.8 transactional NY person, don't massmail unless it's late August and your options aren't what you thought they'd be.

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Re: Northwestern OCI 2015

Postby BaberhamLincoln » Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:17 pm

Srs q: is family a tie?

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Re: Northwestern OCI 2015

Postby moneyball026 » Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:52 pm

BaberhamLincoln wrote:Srs q: is family a tie?

ya

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Re: Northwestern OCI 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:55 pm

Skadden notoriously doesn't care about interviewing at multiple offices and is very open to splitting summers. Dunno the other 2.

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Re: Northwestern OCI 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:00 pm

How many markets in one bid list are too many?

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Re: Northwestern OCI 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:08 pm

Transfer student, 3.8x/4.0, litigation. Any more advice before I submit?


1. Winston & Strawn
2. Jones Day
3. Reed Smith
4. Jenner & Block
5. Latham
6. DLA Piper
7. Kirkland
8. Sidley
9. Dentons
10. Greenberg
11. Katten
12. McDermott
13. K&L Gates
14. Proskauer (NY)
15. Weil (NY)
16. Schulte (NY)
17. Paul Hastings (NY)
18. Cahill (NY)
19. Lock Lorde
20. Drinker
21. Davis Polk (NY)
22. Ropes & Gray
23. Latham (NY)
24. Perkins Coie
25. Kaye Schoeler (NY)
26. McGuire Woods
27. Quarles & Brady
28. Winston & Strawn (NY)
29. Bryan Cave
30. Barack
31. Skadden (NY)
32. Baker & McKenzie

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Re: Northwestern OCI 2015

Postby crumb cake » Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:17 pm

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