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Anonymous User wrote:1L SA with a South American firm and my hours are 8:45-7:30.

Sounds like I got shafted.

But the South American part is cool. What country, if you don't mind saying for risk of outing?

Afraid it will out me as I don't know of many JD's down here but I will say it is in the lower half of South America.

And yes that part has been great! Just only time on the weekends to really get to experience the culture and travel around.

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My firm had a great EEOC policy meeting where they outlined in detail everyone we could not have sex with at the firm. In that direct language. Also told us not to get drunk and screw anyone either. I love this compliance guy and I love this firm. Platonically, of course.

Anonymous User wrote:My firm had a great EEOC policy meeting where they outlined in detail everyone we could not have sex with at the firm. In that direct language. Also told us not to get drunk and screw anyone either.

That sounds amazing. It sounds like the backdrop of an episode of The Office. Out the firm so I can lateral there.

Anonymous User wrote:My firm had a great EEOC policy meeting where they outlined in detail everyone we could not have sex with at the firm. In that direct language. Also told us not to get drunk and screw anyone either. I love this compliance guy and I love this firm. Platonically, of course.

We had our HR training already but we were never told not to screw coworkers. Nor has anyone mentioned it is frowned upon. There are some lonely and, I assume, desperate single attorneys that I have my eye on. Superstar move to screw a midlevel?

El Pollito wrote:

Desert Fox wrote:No but firms carefully manage who you meet socially to give you false expectations. Stressed out people don't go to shitty events and aren't invited to new ones.

my friend accidentally got invited to a summer lunch and told people he wanted to kill himself

You know Johann?

rpupkin wrote:

Anonymous User wrote:My firm had a great EEOC policy meeting where they outlined in detail everyone we could not have sex with at the firm. In that direct language. Also told us not to get drunk and screw anyone either.

That sounds amazing. It sounds like the backdrop of an episode of The Office. Out the firm so I can lateral there.

It boiled down to: we can't have sex with any of the staff, because we're technically their supervisors. And we can't have sex with any of the real attorneys, because they are our supervisors. I guess sex with other SA's is technically OK but they seemed to frown on anybody mashing genitals, especially if alcohol was in any way involved.

A colleague who summered at Clifford Chance ages ago told me that everybody was fucking everybody else in her summer class, and that 8 of them ended up marrying each other (so 4 couples, in case that wasn't clear).

Cobretti wrote:

El Pollito wrote:

Desert Fox wrote:No but firms carefully manage who you meet socially to give you false expectations. Stressed out people don't go to shitty events and aren't invited to new ones.

my friend accidentally got invited to a summer lunch and told people he wanted to kill himself

You know Johann?

Nah not me. I stopped doing work so that I could lie through my teeth to the summers. All rainbows here.

rpupkin wrote:

Desert Fox wrote:No but firms carefully manage who you meet socially to give you false expectations. Stressed out people don't go to shitty events and aren't invited to new ones.

Yeah, no question that firms orchestrate the summer experience in a way that conceals the unpleasant realities of associate life. I just thought the "firm tellsl us to dress casually for the summers" line was amusing bullshit.

I feel like my firm has been pretty up front that the summer experience was distinctly different from associate life, and it seems like no one has been off limits to talk to. I've shot random people in practice groups I'm interested in emails asking for lunch and they've been responsive. People have gone back to the office after dinner and stuff.

I appreciate it. There's a lot of being a summer is the best job ever stuff. Clearly they put a spin on it but I feel like they're at least not hiding the ball.

First Offense wrote:

rpupkin wrote:

Desert Fox wrote:No but firms carefully manage who you meet socially to give you false expectations. Stressed out people don't go to shitty events and aren't invited to new ones.

Yeah, no question that firms orchestrate the summer experience in a way that conceals the unpleasant realities of associate life. I just thought the "firm tellsl us to dress casually for the summers" line was amusing bullshit.

I feel like my firm has been pretty up front that the summer experience was distinctly different from associate life, and it seems like no one has been off limits to talk to. I've shot random people in practice groups I'm interested in emails asking for lunch and they've been responsive. People have gone back to the office after dinner and stuff.

I appreciate it. There's a lot of being a summer is the best job ever stuff. Clearly they put a spin on it but I feel like they're at least not hiding the ball.

I have a weird tendency to lie when summers ask me how horrible it can get. I can't explain why I do that

Had a ceremony yesterday for new Counsel promotions, and one of the Partners introducing the new Counsel in his group talked about how impressed he was when this guy pulled all nighters as a summer. Managing partner spoke next and assured all the summers in the room that he was surely just remembering things incorrectly, and that never happens here

My firm is pretty firmly on the side of constantly joking about how summer is nothing like real work, and to enjoy it before your life is over as a real associate. I agree that I like he honesty, and when the same person is honest about associate life, and still shows that spark of a soul, it gives me a bit of hope.

Just played a literal 30 minute game of shit chicken

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Desert Fox wrote:

Micdiddy wrote:My firm is pretty firmly on the side of constantly joking about how summer is nothing like real work, and to enjoy it before your life is over as a real associate. I agree that I like he honesty, and when the same person is honest about associate life, and still shows that spark of a soul, it gives me a bit of hope.

I thought the same thing but reality is much darker.

The first day of being an associate, you realize how nobody really cares about sugarcoating anything. They already caught you, you are stuck. First day of SA was like a party, first day of associate was like "here fill out this form and go bill."

But being an associate doesn't start sucking until 6 months in. It's almost magic that everyone enjoys it for that long.

What happens in the first 6 months that doesn't after or vice versa?

trebekismyhero wrote:

Desert Fox wrote:

Micdiddy wrote:My firm is pretty firmly on the side of constantly joking about how summer is nothing like real work, and to enjoy it before your life is over as a real associate. I agree that I like he honesty, and when the same person is honest about associate life, and still shows that spark of a soul, it gives me a bit of hope.

I thought the same thing but reality is much darker.

The first day of being an associate, you realize how nobody really cares about sugarcoating anything. They already caught you, you are stuck. First day of SA was like a party, first day of associate was like "here fill out this form and go bill."

But being an associate doesn't start sucking until 6 months in. It's almost magic that everyone enjoys it for that long.

What happens in the first 6 months that doesn't after or vice versa?

stub year is over and the hours count

Just made a Target run to pick up some more dress shirts

...no offer?

BigZuck wrote:Just made a Target run to pick up some more dress shirts

...no offer?

Bro shirts at BR are like $30 bucks a pop with the 40% off promo + 25% stackable sign-up-with-your-email coupon.

cookiejar1 wrote:

BigZuck wrote:Just made a Target run to pick up some more dress shirts

...no offer?

Bro shirts at BR are like $30 bucks a pop with the 40% off promo + 25% stackable sign-up-with-your-email coupon.

Is that going on right now? I'm waiting for the next time they do this to buy ~ 3-4 shirts.

lhanvt13 wrote:

cookiejar1 wrote:

BigZuck wrote:Just made a Target run to pick up some more dress shirts

...no offer?

Bro shirts at BR are like $30 bucks a pop with the 40% off promo + 25% stackable sign-up-with-your-email coupon.

Is that going on right now? I'm waiting for the next time they do this to buy ~ 3-4 shirts.

Target dress shirts are 30 bucks year round broham, no need to wait

BR sale is now. I like their shirts a lot and they fit me off the rack pretty well. I don't have any experience with target shirts but imo it's pretty noticeable in the office when someone is wearing a cheap shirt w/o collar stays. But honestly I don't think anyone really cares let's be real here the person whose opinion really matters is prob fat and balding anyways

cookiejar1 wrote:BR sale is now. I like their shirts a lot and they fit me off the rack pretty well. I don't have any experience with target shirts but imo it's pretty noticeable in the office when someone is wearing a cheap shirt w/o collar stays. But honestly I don't think anyone really cares let's be real here the person whose opinion really matters is prob fat and balding anyways

Cool cool ordering now. Yeah I like BR tailored slims. They fit really well and for $30ish after sales it's a steal IMO.

Balding and fat: maybe that's a requirement to become partner material. If I start balding and gain enough weight, can I enter as a partner?

lhanvt13 wrote:

cookiejar1 wrote:BR sale is now. I like their shirts a lot and they fit me off the rack pretty well. I don't have any experience with target shirts but imo it's pretty noticeable in the office when someone is wearing a cheap shirt w/o collar stays. But honestly I don't think anyone really cares let's be real here the person whose opinion really matters is prob fat and balding anyways

Cool cool ordering now. Yeah I like BR tailored slims. They fit really well and for $30ish after sales it's a steal IMO.

Balding and fat: maybe that's a requirement to become partner material. If I start balding and gain enough weight, can I enter as a partner?

A bunch of ours are 6'+ square jawed fit dudes with beautiful hair. It's kind of intimidating.

cookiejar1 wrote:BR sale is now. I like their shirts a lot and they fit me off the rack pretty well. I don't have any experience with target shirts but imo it's pretty noticeable in the office when someone is wearing a cheap shirt w/o collar stays. But honestly I don't think anyone really cares let's be real here the person whose opinion really matters is prob fat and balding anyways

Since when did BR shirts become "good" shirts?

Honestly, even Target dress shirts are going to be fine if they're cotton, you iron them, maybe throw on a bit of starch, and don't treat them like shit. As with a lot of clothing, presentation counts more than just about anything else. Make sure what you buy isn't made of complete crap, doesn't have some kind of a garish pattern/color, and fits your body type. NOBODY is honestly going to give a hoot what brand of shirts you wear unless your'e just that bad ass looking.