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Re: Summer Associate Class of 2015

Postby OutoftheWoods » Sun Aug 09, 2015 11:25 pm

El Pollito wrote:
OutoftheWoods wrote:Hey, all I was saying was that Katten isn't Skadden - you're not gonna get wined and dined. Anon came off as super entitled.

also thought TLS was above strikeout shaming.

wut? there are plenty of lower vault firms w good summer programs


Well hey, what do I know? I am a strikeout after all :p

I am sorry if since i obviously caused offense though, that I can own up to. Wish you both best of luck, having an SA already puts you above most 3Ls so it should work out.

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Re: Summer Associate Class of 2015

Postby BaberhamLincoln » Sun Aug 09, 2015 11:26 pm

I think you're all being a little hard on this person. This is supposed to be a safe place for info sharing

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Re: Summer Associate Class of 2015

Postby Fitz51 » Sun Aug 09, 2015 11:40 pm

OutoftheWoods wrote:
El Pollito wrote:
OutoftheWoods wrote:Hey, all I was saying was that Katten isn't Skadden - you're not gonna get wined and dined. Anon came off as super entitled.

also thought TLS was above strikeout shaming.

wut? there are plenty of lower vault firms w good summer programs


Well hey, what do I know? I am a strikeout after all :p

I am sorry if since i obviously caused offense though, that I can own up to. Wish you both best of luck, having an SA already puts you above most 3Ls so it should work out.


The point is that this person likely had another big law offer they could have taken. Katten consistently has one of the better summer programs, so it's perfectly within realm of expectations to think you'll get some wining and dining. Anon did come off as super entitled, but your comment was not a way to address that ("LOL, you expected wining and dining at the SHITTY firm you ENDED up at?? Not like you had other choices, bro. LOL.")

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Re: Summer Associate Class of 2015

Postby Monochromatic Oeuvre » Sun Aug 09, 2015 11:54 pm

OutoftheWoods wrote:Hey, all I was saying was that Katten isn't Skadden - you're not gonna get wined and dined. Anon came off as super entitled.

also thought TLS was above strikeout shaming.


I don't think you meant any harm by your comment, and though it might not have been an unfair point, it was uncouth in the context of the no-offers, even if you were only talking about the SA experience and not the offer situation. It's true that Katten is probably more likely to be someone's only Biglaw offer than Skadden, but the notion that the no-offerees may not have had another choice isn't particular comforting. It's not really better to say "you were fucked from the start" than "you could've picked another firm that wouldn't have done this." Regardless, you don't know whether there were other options (there probably were). I think people are taking umbrage at even the implication that any negative treatment, including the no-offers, was to be expected/acceptable/deserved. And though TLS is (or at least should be) above strikeout shaming, one might've expected someone in your position to be a bit more sympathetic if you were referencing people who got no-offered. Again, I'm sure you didn't mean any of that; it just came off wrong.

Back to the topic at hand: Katten's bullshit move.

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Re: Summer Associate Class of 2015

Postby ilovecorn » Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:49 am

Yeah, so kinda presumptuous to assume that someone had no other offers if they went to a particular firm...several of the SAs did have other offers. I do not think Katten is inherently a bad firm, although questionable decisions were made with our class. Lunches and events don't really matter if you find people and work you like. Personally, I chose Katten over another Vault firm (ok, not Skadden) because during interviewing the people I met seemed funny, down-to-earth and eager to work with me (naive? maybe, but the warm fuzzies got me). I had the opportunity to work with several of the people who interviewed me as a summer and my experience confirmed that they are cool people who do interesting work, and I don't fault them personally for the anxiety or lack of transparency. I understand that no one wants to be the bearer of bad news in this situation, but law students tend to be Type A personalities and want as much information as possible. I mean, why else is anyone on this board?

There shouldn't be such a stigma around no offers that people assume that those who didn't get an offer "deserved" it. I cannot speak for everyone in my class on this matter, but I don't believe there was anyone in the class who deserved a "no offer."

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Re: Summer Associate Class of 2015

Postby BaberhamLincoln » Mon Aug 10, 2015 8:38 am

Now I'm confused. I thought woods was saying that katten NYC is a good firm such that did they have anyone they would have taken over katten? Like saying come on would you have picked anyone over X firm?

I don't care about the ny market myself so i may have completely interpreted that backwards since idk NYC firms much and katten NYC is not so good hence all the backlash

If it's the former, yeah that's fucked up to say

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Re: Summer Associate Class of 2015

Postby BigZuck » Mon Aug 10, 2015 8:56 am

It was definitely the former

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Re: Summer Associate Class of 2015

Postby BaberhamLincoln » Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:06 pm

Has anyone read the page Skadden has on "dispelling rumors"?

Eta: was not k&l
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Re: Summer Associate Class of 2015

Postby BaberhamLincoln » Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:19 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
BaberhamLincoln wrote:Has anyone read the page k&l has on "dispelling rumors"?


lnk me garth


My source was mistaken, it's Skadden

http://recruit.skadden.com/if-you-think/

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Re: Summer Associate Class of 2015

Postby BaberhamLincoln » Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:20 pm

Was much more excited thinking it was k&l

Womp womp

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Re: Summer Associate Class of 2015

Postby rpupkin » Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:34 pm

BaberhamLincoln wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
BaberhamLincoln wrote:Has anyone read the page k&l has on "dispelling rumors"?


lnk me garth


My source was mistaken, it's Skadden

http://recruit.skadden.com/if-you-think/

Oh my. There is so much material to mine here. I like what happens when you hover over the "We Are a Sweatshop" Box:

"Some people call us that. They Don't Work Here"

(They don't work there because they were forced out after billing less than 2,200 hours)

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Re: Summer Associate Class of 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:42 pm

The "not a sweatshop" marketing stuff came up at lunch last week and the senior partner there thought it was the funniest thing he'd ever heard. He then encouraged us to buy expensive houses as first years so we would have to stay.

Like 2 days after accepting and the curtain is already coming back lol.

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Re: Summer Associate Class of 2015

Postby rpupkin » Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:48 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:The "not a sweatshop" marketing stuff came up at lunch last week and the senior partner there thought it was the funniest thing he'd ever heard. He then encouraged us to buy expensive houses as first years so we would have to stay.

Like 2 days after accepting and the curtain is already coming back lol.


You will be shocked at home much differently you are treated day 1 of the real job. It's like frat rush and frat initiation. One day they are having free parties with slip and slides, babes, and brewskis, then you sign on the line, and the next you are cleaning up vomit from their party room.

But my firm is different. I hung out a lot with associates and they all seemed really chill. And I came in on a Saturday once to pick up my jacket and almost no one was there.

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Re: Summer Associate Class of 2015

Postby BaberhamLincoln » Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:52 pm

Lolololol yoo guiz

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Re: Summer Associate Class of 2015

Postby BaberhamLincoln » Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:59 pm

You forgot the close quote DF

fired.

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Re: Summer Associate Class of 2015

Postby rpupkin » Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:02 pm

BaberhamLincoln wrote:You forgot the close quote DF

fired.

Unless your firm or group is really slow, almost no one gets fired during the first couple of years. If you make a mistake, they'll just make you feel like shit and then assign you more work to screw up.

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Re: Summer Associate Class of 2015

Postby BaberhamLincoln » Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:07 pm

K&L's summer website doesn't even offer hope to people of getting offers actually. They just say "you'll possibly have a foot in the door for a first year associate position"

I guess that's accurate given recent history

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Re: Summer Associate Class of 2015

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:07 pm

rpupkin wrote:
BaberhamLincoln wrote:You forgot the close quote DF

fired.

Unless your firm or group is really slow, almost no one gets fired during the first couple of years. If you make a mistake, they'll just make you feel like shit and then assign you more work to screw up.

Then what happen if you shirk?

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Re: Summer Associate Class of 2015

Postby BaberhamLincoln » Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:08 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
BaberhamLincoln wrote:You forgot the close quote DF

fired.


You also missed my forgotten closed parenthesis. YOU"RE YOUR FIRED

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Re: Summer Associate Class of 2015

Postby smaug » Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:09 pm

she'll be here all night, folks

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Re: Summer Associate Class of 2015

Postby BaberhamLincoln » Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:11 pm

:roll:




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