Breaking out of my cage because this thread is off its rocker.
First, to address Mono's post—absurd. Absolutely absurd. Law firms are businesses. They didn't agree to hire you full time yet. You're interviewing for positions way out in the future. If a firm is on the verge of going Dewey, they probably should no offer people. They shouldn't risk financial stability for press or because it's nice for second year law students to have jobs out in advance. Even at a 100% offer firm, you're not entitled to a job. Ever.
Second, with respect to "outing the firm" there's little marginal benefit to rising 2Ls/current students. It's one thing if a firm is showing signs of financial instability overall (like K&L Gates) but otherwise, it's hard to say whether the data gathered is useful. If you're including cold-offers (and really, I think you should, because you're probably in WAY more of a similar situation than you think you are), nearly every firm no-offers some people, at least every once in a while. People do stupid things. Firms face unforeseen financial pressures.
I think it's one thing if you're talking about a firm like Skadden no-offering some summers, on occasion, and another when it's been continuous/part of the summer program. (I think Greenberg Traurig, Curtiss, K&L Gates and others have pretty much institutionalized no offering a chunk of their class at this point.)
Students should be aware that yes, there are firms that don't even try to get a 100% offer rate/never had an intention of giving offers to all of their summers. Those firms are alarming and should maybe be considered a step down, or a less safe option, than others.
But, it's absurd to start throwing near 100%/potential 100% firms like Latham or Weil into that mix. There might be good reason to be alarmed by their practices otherwise (e.g., Latham's boom/bust model would give me hives) but worrying that you might not get an offer if you piss in the punchbowl probably shouldn't be your top concern there. Especially because I would wager it's easier to do 3L OCI after summering at one of the large, prestigious firms than it would be from another shop, if only because lawyers are dorks and will use where you summered as a 2L as a proxy for how desirable of a candidate you were.
On the other hand, I think there's potentially real harm to those who out firms for no offering people. If you were no offered and you talk about the firm, it'll quickly become apparent who you are. Now you're not just damaged goods, you're damaged goods who's unwilling to keep your mouth shut and practice self-preservation. It shows poor judgment and seems to rest on an assumption that there are so many summers out there that you wouldn't know who got no-offered where. That's just not true, though—people like to gossip and that shit will spread.
The big advantage you have by keeping mum about it is that maybe you can fix it and find another job before the fact that you were no-offered has any professional or personal consequences. I say personal consequences because there will be personal consequences. I wouldn't think less of anyone (unless the story was egregious), but again, lawyers are tools and people will talk about it. You'll be marked.
So, don't encourage people to do something that could hurt them and gives you almost no benefit. You don't need to know where everyone got no offered. You have NALP. We have anecdotes that are slightly more stale but don't hurt anyone. Most importantly, the data gathered is pretty garbage from the start.
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