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[chuckbass]

In the middle of PLIP I got a call from my SA giving me a 2L offer!

Yay congrats!!!

[El Pollito]

i agree.
just for overkill on the analysis though - it would only make sense if you thought you were particularly busy at this moment in time and would be for the next year, but then the work may dry up and you would not want to have extra headcount on your books being under utilized.

another option is and this is best possible scenario - KE tried to cover the gap with laterals, but couldn't do it. They couldn't find enough qualified laterals, so they had to reach out to their most junior folks. That would mean the long-term work flow is there, they were spurned by mid-levels and turned to their last possible option, the juniors. Those partner meetings probably have a lot of talk going on right now about how the economy shifted from juniors having no leverage in 2011 to today having to have their antenna peaked for the junior rumblings.

Good job, guys. I'm gonna pack it up and head home for the day with 3 hours billed.

yeah it's actually not that easy to find good laterals

[5ky]

it's great money for those 3Ls but i'm glad i didn't have to make that choice. it'd be irresponsible to turn down the money, but working biglaw blows (johann's experience notwithstanding). 20 hours a week sounds like a shitty 3L

[Johann]

i agree working biglaw is terrible. didnt really think about how the 20 hours would kill 3L year though.

[jbagelboy]

it's great money for those 3Ls but i'm glad i didn't have to make that choice. it'd be irresponsible to turn down the money, but working biglaw blows (johann's experience notwithstanding). 20 hours a week sounds like a shitty 3L

The rich kids with no debt wont do it
The rest of ppl like us will jump on the opportunity. It will be an interesting social experiment TBH

[bearsfan23]

In the middle of PLIP I got a call from my SA giving me a 2L offer!

Yay congrats!!!

+1 that's awesome, congrats!

[beepboopbeep]

Checking in...

My firm has a formal event in a few weeks where dates are encouraged to attend. My girlfriend is in a different city. Would it be wise to try and find a date on tinder or even hire an escort service for the purposes of this function? I want to make a good impression.

Not apropos of anything, but I'm just gonna necro a random post from May to point out that this dude totally called Latham-bro before it happened. Page 13 of the thread.

[Desert Fox]

[DJ JD]

That Kirkland Chi opportunity sounds amazing, but then again, Kirkland always has perks. They also give their Houston summers a 10K stipend at the end of the summer, and give a 10K signing bonus.

[UpandDown97]

Could the KE Chicago deal have anything to do with the recent ruling that doc review does not count as legal work, thus requiring overtime pay? Perhaps they intend to replace doc review workers with 2Ls and 3Ls.

[Anonymous User]

Can confirm Kirkland NYC follows suit.

[DoveBodyWash]

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[5ky]

it's great money for those 3Ls but i'm glad i didn't have to make that choice. it'd be irresponsible to turn down the money, but working biglaw blows (johann's experience notwithstanding). 20 hours a week sounds like a shitty 3L

The rich kids with no debt wont do it
The rest of ppl like us will jump on the opportunity. It will be an interesting social experiment TBH

I'd strongly recommend doing it just for the experience. They'll probably start giving your real work. You'll ease into biglaw.

The risk is they'll work you 60 hours a week and only pay you for 20.

don't know how they could give real work for corporate. if they did, sticking to 20 hours would be tough and would definitely suck in general.

if it's just 20 hours of work you can do whenever, on your own time, then not so bad and a great eeal. if it's 20 hours of deal work or other time-sensitive work some stressed out midlevel is going to be up your ass for when youre trying to daydrink on thursday, then it sounds less than ideal.

[mvp99]

Could the KE Chicago deal have anything to do with the recent ruling that doc review does not count as legal work, thus requiring overtime pay? Perhaps they intend to replace doc review workers with 2Ls and 3Ls.

i think this is not what happened. court simply vacated a summary judgment order because the dc did not considered the record in light most favorable to the nonmoving party. it concluded however that going through documents and categorizing them is not legal work. I bet though that reading documents and judging whether it contains red flags is legal work albeit not that interesting or mentally demanding

[Rahviveh]

Could the KE Chicago deal have anything to do with the recent ruling that doc review does not count as legal work, thus requiring overtime pay? Perhaps they intend to replace doc review workers with 2Ls and 3Ls.

i think this is not what happened. court simply vacated a summary judgment order because the dc did not considered the record in light most favorable to the nonmoving party. it concluded however that going through documents and categorizing them is not legal work. I bet though that reading documents and judging whether it contains red flags is legal work albeit not that interesting or mentally demanding

So why aren't other firms doing the same?

[Desert Fox]

[Anonymous User]

Could the KE Chicago deal have anything to do with the recent ruling that doc review does not count as legal work, thus requiring overtime pay? Perhaps they intend to replace doc review workers with 2Ls and 3Ls.

i think this is not what happened. court simply vacated a summary judgment order because the dc did not considered the record in light most favorable to the nonmoving party. it concluded however that going through documents and categorizing them is not legal work. I bet though that reading documents and judging whether it contains red flags is legal work albeit not that interesting or mentally demanding

So why aren't other firms doing the same?

A few weeks ago, my firm (a V20 NY firm) told my summer class that it was going to start allowing those who will be returning to the firm after graduation to work as law clerks during the 3L year. So it definitely isn't just K&E.

[feralinfant]

Could the KE Chicago deal have anything to do with the recent ruling that doc review does not count as legal work, thus requiring overtime pay? Perhaps they intend to replace doc review workers with 2Ls and 3Ls.

i think this is not what happened. court simply vacated a summary judgment order because the dc did not considered the record in light most favorable to the nonmoving party. it concluded however that going through documents and categorizing them is not legal work. I bet though that reading documents and judging whether it contains red flags is legal work albeit not that interesting or mentally demanding

So why aren't other firms doing the same?

A few weeks ago, my firm (a V20 NY firm) told my summer class that it was going to start allowing those who will be returning to the firm after graduation to work as law clerks during the 3L year. So it definitely isn't just K&E.

you're anonymous, just say what firm it was.

[Anonymous User]

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[Anonymous User]

SA at my firm today attended a deposition with a client. SA proceeds to fidget around and carelessly knocks over partner's cup of coffee all over client's file and partner's suit right at the beginning. no offer?

[jbagelboy]

SA at my firm today attended a deposition with a client. SA proceeds to fidget around and carelessly knocks over partner's cup of coffee all over client's file and partner's suit right at the beginning. no offer?

ahh fuck offer or not, that would be so embarrassing. I empathize.

[SFSpartan]

How can I leverage a mid-law offer into a big-law offer? Do big-law firms accept entry level candidates that received mid-law firm offers?

I would like to stay in the same region, but willing to go to NY too.

Also interested in any insight to be provided here. At a firm that could either be midlaw or regional biglaw depending on definition of those terms.

[Anonymous User]

At a patent boutique of 10-15 attorneys and I'm the only summer here. 3 weeks left. I have no clue of my future status after this summer yet but I'm listed as a Patent Agent (not summer associate or law clerk) on the firm letterhead. The summer last year got hired as an associate and is starting this fall (good sign). I'm paid hourly for the summer, not salary. It seems as if I will get an associate offer and/or get to work remotely as a 3L (law school is in a different city from where the firm is located). Most of the talk by others has seemed positive in this regard, although I do get mixed signals at times. People here seem to like me and think I'm doing a pretty good job. I haven't brought up the future yet as it's been too early. However, I'm starting to think of asking about these things soon as I need to plan for 3L year. It's not a traditional biglaw SA where your final review/interview/offer timeline is set in stone. I go to a TTT so there's zero chance of getting a job through 3L "OCI" and I didn't attend PLIP (starting to regret that). When do you think is a good time to bring up my future with the firm?

[Anonymous User]

Got no-offered by the office manager and not a single partner spoke to me about it. I had received positive feedback, I implemented the changes they asked for during my midsummer review, but it was all for naught. I am fairly confident an equity partner did not like me. I'm pretty numb and sickened that I have to get back to the hustle.

[RaceJudicata]

At a patent boutique of 10-15 attorneys and I'm the only summer here. 3 weeks left. I have no clue of my future status after this summer yet but I'm listed as a Patent Agent (not summer associate or law clerk) on the firm letterhead. The summer last year got hired as an associate and is starting this fall (good sign). I'm paid hourly for the summer, not salary. It seems as if I will get an associate offer and/or get to work remotely as a 3L (law school is in a different city from where the firm is located). Most of the talk by others has seemed positive in this regard, although I do get mixed signals at times. People here seem to like me and think I'm doing a pretty good job. I haven't brought up the future yet as it's been too early. However, I'm starting to think of asking about these things soon as I need to plan for 3L year. It's not a traditional biglaw SA where your final review/interview/offer timeline is set in stone. I go to a TTT so there's zero chance of getting a job through 3L "OCI" and I didn't attend PLIP (starting to regret that). When do you think is a good time to bring up my future with the firm?

Correct me if I'm wrong - and I may very well be - but don't you have to pass some sort/series of exams to be considered a patent agent? Have you completed these exams? Again, I could be totally off on that.