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Re: Getting out of Patent Litigation

Postby Big Shrimpin » Thu Apr 23, 2015 4:41 pm

glitched wrote:related question: exit ops for ip tech transactions > m&a/private equity >>> patent lit > general lit? anyone know?


also tech cos doing supply chain mgmt K negs

or procurement or tech transfer

most of those are boring AF

if u can land in a growing tech co thatd be best

but litttigators (like me) fukt and destined for small shitlaw

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Re: Getting out of Patent Litigation

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Apr 23, 2015 6:17 pm

jbagelboy wrote:the idea that you need a science background to do tech industry corporate is ludicrous

the SV firms are pulling 2nd/3rd year laterals out of davis polk/cravath/sullivan with no STEM, just knowledge of deal work. most of those kids were probably philosophy, english or econ majors.


OP doesnt have deal work.

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Re: Getting out of Patent Litigation

Postby Big Shrimpin » Thu Apr 23, 2015 6:42 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
jbagelboy wrote:the idea that you need a science background to do tech industry corporate is ludicrous

the SV firms are pulling 2nd/3rd year laterals out of davis polk/cravath/sullivan with no STEM, just knowledge of deal work. most of those kids were probably philosophy, english or econ majors.


OP doesnt have deal work.


yah easier to do non-TT corp to TT than tech ip lit to TT

i tried and I have pretty decent creds, just no corp exp

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Re: Getting out of Patent Litigation

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Apr 23, 2015 6:48 pm

Big Shrimpin wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
jbagelboy wrote:the idea that you need a science background to do tech industry corporate is ludicrous

the SV firms are pulling 2nd/3rd year laterals out of davis polk/cravath/sullivan with no STEM, just knowledge of deal work. most of those kids were probably philosophy, english or econ majors.


OP doesnt have deal work.


yah easier to do non-TT corp to TT than tech ip lit to TT

i tried and I have pretty decent creds, just no corp exp


OP. So what did you end up doing?

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Re: Getting out of Patent Litigation

Postby Big Shrimpin » Thu Apr 23, 2015 6:52 pm

Me? Stayed in PATENT LIT

ill be here for the duration

until I get NOBEAKFASTPWND and have to do shitlaw or nonlaw

shoulda done corp from the start :-(

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Re: Getting out of Patent Litigation

Postby sundance95 » Thu Apr 23, 2015 6:54 pm

Big Shrimpin wrote:Me? Stayed in PATENT LIT

ill be here for the duration

until I get NOBEAKFASTPWND and have to do shitlaw or nonlaw

shoulda done corp from the start :-(

is lit screwed forever, or is transactional just in a boom relative to lit?

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Re: Getting out of Patent Litigation

Postby FSK » Thu Apr 23, 2015 7:21 pm

Big Shrimpin wrote:Me? Stayed in PATENT LIT

ill be here for the duration

until I get NOBEAKFASTPWND and have to do shitlaw or nonlaw

shoulda done corp from the start :-(


I believe in you. There's breakfast in your future.

And if not, there's this.

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Re: Getting out of Patent Litigation

Postby ExBiglawAssociate » Thu Apr 23, 2015 7:29 pm

The bottom line is that you are most likely fucked. I would not recommend that ANYONE with ANY grade/law school combo go (entry level) into patent lit without a tech background.

TT people won't want you because you don't have a tech background.

In house won't want you for the same reason.

Your best bet is to do some other kind of lit, but LOL @ the prospects of general commercial litigators these days. Sorry, bro, but you're kinda hosed.

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Re: Getting out of Patent Litigation

Postby Desert Fox » Thu Apr 23, 2015 7:37 pm

Is it really that bad out there for a Patent lit bro?

Corp work seems like torture.

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Re: Getting out of Patent Litigation

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Apr 23, 2015 7:41 pm

Desert Fox wrote:Is it really that bad out there for a Patent lit bro?

Corp work seems like torture.


OP. With no tech degree? Not great, especially long term. I'm not lacking work now. It's just that what I'm learning and what I'm working on is not going to give me any exit options.

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Re: Getting out of Patent Litigation

Postby Desert Fox » Thu Apr 23, 2015 7:45 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:Is it really that bad out there for a Patent lit bro?

Corp work seems like torture.


OP. With no tech degree? Not great, especially long term. I'm not lacking work now. It's just that what I'm learning and what I'm working on is not going to give me any exit options.


Everyone at my firm has a tech background so I'm not familar with how it works. But what do you do? Do you do the invalidity and non-infringement stuff and just wing it? Or do you stick to discover, motions stuff, etc.

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Re: Getting out of Patent Litigation

Postby ExBiglawAssociate » Thu Apr 23, 2015 8:07 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:Is it really that bad out there for a Patent lit bro?

Corp work seems like torture.


OP. With no tech degree? Not great, especially long term. I'm not lacking work now. It's just that what I'm learning and what I'm working on is not going to give me any exit options.


Everyone at my firm has a tech background so I'm not familar with how it works. But what do you do? Do you do the invalidity and non-infringement stuff and just wing it? Or do you stick to discover, motions stuff, etc.


The big V20 firms always try to get the huge patent cases (like the IV cases and Apple/Samsung type shit) so they can throw all the non-tech people on massive doc review projects, letter writing campaigns, ROG drafting, unnecessary depos, unnecessarily detailed motions to seal, huge and unwieldy pre-trial designations and other bullshit that churns the bill. Boutiques do smaller cases that require surgically precise technical analysis (especially when reexams and IPRs are involved) but without as much discovery bullshit.

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Re: Getting out of Patent Litigation

Postby FSK » Thu Apr 23, 2015 8:11 pm

Yo why do biglaw firms file all these pointless motions and clients allow it? They're obv pointless.

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Re: Getting out of Patent Litigation

Postby Desert Fox » Thu Apr 23, 2015 8:13 pm

Biglaw_Associate_V20 wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:Is it really that bad out there for a Patent lit bro?

Corp work seems like torture.


OP. With no tech degree? Not great, especially long term. I'm not lacking work now. It's just that what I'm learning and what I'm working on is not going to give me any exit options.


Everyone at my firm has a tech background so I'm not familar with how it works. But what do you do? Do you do the invalidity and non-infringement stuff and just wing it? Or do you stick to discover, motions stuff, etc.


The big V20 firms always try to get the huge patent cases (like the IV cases and Apple/Samsung type shit) so they can throw all the non-tech people on massive doc review projects, letter writing campaigns, ROG drafting, unnecessary depos, unnecessarily detailed motions to seal, huge and unwieldy pre-trial designations and other bullshit that churns the bill. Boutiques do smaller cases that require surgically precise technical analysis (especially when reexams and IPRs are involved) but without as much discovery bullshit.


I guess it's not better or worse than general lit stuff. which is to say, ur fuckd

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Re: Getting out of Patent Litigation

Postby rpupkin » Thu Apr 23, 2015 8:14 pm

Desert Fox wrote:Everyone at my firm has a tech background so I'm not familar with how it works. But what do you do? Do you do the invalidity and non-infringement stuff and just wing it? Or do you stick to discover, motions stuff, etc.

Even with a tech degree, aren't you "just winging it" most of the time on the invalidity and infringement stuff?

I don't have a tech background and I'm not a full-time patent litigator, but I do some patent litigation, including invalidity and non-infringement. It's tougher on the EE patents than on the "computer science" patents.

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Re: Getting out of Patent Litigation

Postby Desert Fox » Thu Apr 23, 2015 8:18 pm

rpupkin wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:Everyone at my firm has a tech background so I'm not familar with how it works. But what do you do? Do you do the invalidity and non-infringement stuff and just wing it? Or do you stick to discover, motions stuff, etc.

Even with a tech degree, aren't you "just winging it" most of the time on the invalidity and infringement stuff?

I don't have a tech background and I'm not a full-time patent litigator, but I do some patent litigation, including invalidity and non-infringement. It's tougher on the EE patents than on the "computer science" patents.


We definitely wing it to a large degree, but the tech background helps. I think mostly I'm just confident that if I spend time, I can learn it.

Software patents are such garbage.

Trade secret work separates the men from the boys. You gotta really understand the tech.

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Re: Getting out of Patent Litigation

Postby checkers » Thu Apr 23, 2015 8:47 pm

Desert Fox wrote:Trade secret work separates the men from the boys. You gotta really understand the tech.

Could you elaborate? I'm curious what makes TS work more technologically-demanding than patent work.

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Re: Getting out of Patent Litigation

Postby jbagelboy » Thu Apr 23, 2015 8:48 pm

If you think firms are winging it, imagine what district court clerks and judges (with zero formal training) are doing when they author invalidity or infringement opinions. Jaja fed circuit but more action is happening at trial level

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Re: Getting out of Patent Litigation

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Apr 23, 2015 8:51 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:Is it really that bad out there for a Patent lit bro?

Corp work seems like torture.


OP. With no tech degree? Not great, especially long term. I'm not lacking work now. It's just that what I'm learning and what I'm working on is not going to give me any exit options.


Everyone at my firm has a tech background so I'm not familar with how it works. But what do you do? Do you do the invalidity and non-infringement stuff and just wing it? Or do you stick to discover, motions stuff, etc.

At my firm, the non-tech patent lit people do damages.

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Re: Getting out of Patent Litigation

Postby Desert Fox » Thu Apr 23, 2015 8:55 pm

checkers wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:Trade secret work separates the men from the boys. You gotta really understand the tech.

Could you elaborate? I'm curious what makes TS work more technologically-demanding than patent work.


There are no claims so you have to really understand exactly how it works, and why it is made/ designed the way it is.

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Re: Getting out of Patent Litigation

Postby Big Shrimpin » Thu Apr 23, 2015 9:52 pm

sundance95 wrote:
Big Shrimpin wrote:Me? Stayed in PATENT LIT

ill be here for the duration

until I get NOBEAKFASTPWND and have to do shitlaw or nonlaw

shoulda done corp from the start :-(

is lit screwed forever, or is transactional just in a boom relative to lit?


life sci is legit (my practice)

trans is booming cuz all the VC money flowing like velveeta

and cuz corp M&A is on fiah

but as soon as theres a correction (i feel like we're due for one) work will slow

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Re: Getting out of Patent Litigation

Postby Big Shrimpin » Thu Apr 23, 2015 9:53 pm

flawschoolkid wrote:
Big Shrimpin wrote:Me? Stayed in PATENT LIT

ill be here for the duration

until I get NOBEAKFASTPWND and have to do shitlaw or nonlaw

shoulda done corp from the start :-(


I believe in you. There's breakfast in your future.

And if not, there's this.

http://i.imgur.com/eAhk0q7.gifv


thanks dooder

::brofist::

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Re: Getting out of Patent Litigation

Postby Big Shrimpin » Thu Apr 23, 2015 9:56 pm

Desert Fox wrote:Is it really that bad out there for a Patent lit bro?

Corp work seems like torture.


i see non-life sci potentially getting fukt cuz of patent reform

life sci is where its at just hard 2 get into if u dont have adv deg

biosims whattup

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Re: Getting out of Patent Litigation

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Apr 23, 2015 10:01 pm

Big Shrimpin wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:Is it really that bad out there for a Patent lit bro?

Corp work seems like torture.


i see non-life sci potentially getting fukt cuz of patent reform

life sci is where its at just hard 2 get into if u dont have adv deg

biosims whattup

My firm doesn't do Hatch-Waxman, mostly EE and some biotech/devices. How easy to lateral to a life sciences group? No advanced degree but have 5+ yrs IND/NDA lab experience.

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Re: Getting out of Patent Litigation

Postby Big Shrimpin » Thu Apr 23, 2015 10:03 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Big Shrimpin wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:Is it really that bad out there for a Patent lit bro?

Corp work seems like torture.


i see non-life sci potentially getting fukt cuz of patent reform

life sci is where its at just hard 2 get into if u dont have adv deg

biosims whattup

My firm doesn't do Hatch-Waxman, mostly EE and some biotech/devices. How easy to lateral to a life sciences group? No advanced degree but have 5+ yrs IND/NDA lab experience.


dood play that exp up

most firms have tech advisors 2 help with gritty sci

if u r legit on regs/law, that's a huge plus for firm, esp on lit strategy side




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