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Philadelphia MidLaw

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Apr 21, 2015 9:40 am

One of the recent threads on midlaw categorized midlaw as 100k salary and billables of 1600-1800 hours. What sort of firms like that exist in Philly and are any of them attainable from Penn with bad grades (bottom third)?

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Re: Philadelphia MidLaw

Postby framboozer » Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:25 pm

I'll bite. I think these firms straddle the Biglaw/Midlaw line:

Marshall Dennehey
Post & Schell
Rawle & Henderson
Schnader Harrison Segal & Lewis
White & Williams
Dilworth Paxson
Hangley Aronchick Segal & Pudlin
Stradley Ronon Stevens & Young

I have no idea what kind of grades at Penn would get you a job there or what their hours are, but I strongly suspect ties to the area are paramount. Philadelphia is insular. They don't want someone from Penn with bad grades who just can't get anything else. Are you from the Philly area?

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Re: Philadelphia MidLaw

Postby Frm312 » Thu Apr 23, 2015 11:22 am

I'd add Conrad O'Brien to that list

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Re: Philadelphia MidLaw

Postby Traynor Brah » Thu Apr 23, 2015 11:54 am

Also add Wyant Wheeler Hellerman Tetlow & Brown

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Re: Philadelphia MidLaw

Postby jchiles » Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:02 pm

Thats a good list, I would expect billables on the higher end, if not a little above, of that 1600-1800 spectrum at most of those firms though.

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Re: Philadelphia MidLaw

Postby BarbellDreams » Thu Apr 23, 2015 4:41 pm

Marshall Dennehy will expect you to bill 2400 hours for a 90K salary. Just FYI.

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Re: Philadelphia MidLaw

Postby seespotrun » Thu Apr 23, 2015 7:12 pm

BarbellDreams wrote:Marshall Dennehy will expect you to bill 2400 hours for a 90K salary. Just FYI.

Yeah, I've heard that place sucks.

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Re: Philadelphia MidLaw

Postby mikec0824 » Wed Jun 10, 2015 5:13 pm

seespotrun wrote:
BarbellDreams wrote:Marshall Dennehy will expect you to bill 2400 hours for a 90K salary. Just FYI.

Yeah, I've heard that place sucks.


I worked in a satellite office of MD and would disagree. Starting salary in philly office is about 100k, satellite offices, depending on region, in Erie I it was 80k. Salary bumps are about 5k per year. Partners make 150-200k, excluding upper management and executive board members. First years usually have a goal of 1900 (160/mo.). The numbers do go up as you progress, but it is really only very senior associates and partners who are expected to bill 2400. By the time you reach that level, with all of the cases you will be dealing with, it is not difficult to average 200 per month. As a second year there were months where I hit 200 in a month. I usually got to the office around 8 and left around 6. I would occasionally do some work on the weekends, but never more than a few hours. There is one level of partnership, and everyone is expected to reach that level. No one is sitting around for 15 years still as an associate. It is not a kill what you eat firm, so work is distributed fairly and readily available.

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Re: Philadelphia MidLaw

Postby transferror » Thu Jun 11, 2015 9:46 am

I would also add:

Obermayer
Cohen Seglias
Klehr Harrison
Montgomery McCracken
Margolis Edelstein
Stevens & Lee
Buchanan Ingersoll

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Re: Philadelphia MidLaw

Postby LA Spring » Thu Jun 11, 2015 2:08 pm

I know a Vandy grad working at Saul Ewing Philly. Might add them to the list, she says she likes the firm.

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Re: Philadelphia MidLaw

Postby seespotrun » Sat Jun 13, 2015 1:47 am

mikec0824 wrote:
seespotrun wrote:
BarbellDreams wrote:Marshall Dennehy will expect you to bill 2400 hours for a 90K salary. Just FYI.

Yeah, I've heard that place sucks.


I worked in a satellite office of MD and would disagree. Starting salary in philly office is about 100k, satellite offices, depending on region, in Erie I it was 80k. Salary bumps are about 5k per year. Partners make 150-200k, excluding upper management and executive board members. First years usually have a goal of 1900 (160/mo.). The numbers do go up as you progress, but it is really only very senior associates and partners who are expected to bill 2400. By the time you reach that level, with all of the cases you will be dealing with, it is not difficult to average 200 per month. As a second year there were months where I hit 200 in a month. I usually got to the office around 8 and left around 6. I would occasionally do some work on the weekends, but never more than a few hours. There is one level of partnership, and everyone is expected to reach that level. No one is sitting around for 15 years still as an associate. It is not a kill what you eat firm, so work is distributed fairly and readily available.

Sounds like a terrible place to work.

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Re: Philadelphia MidLaw

Postby LA Spring » Wed Jun 17, 2015 3:03 pm

Know a lawyer at Pepper (Hamilton?) who transferred from Philly. She said they started her at $135k and she was doing mainly doc review during her first year but then the work became more interesting. She transferred after two years. She said the number of attorneys varied significantly from market-to-market. Not certain if Pepper is considered midlaw, or a tad closer to big law.

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Re: Philadelphia MidLaw

Postby chuckbass » Wed Jun 17, 2015 3:18 pm

LA Spring wrote:Know a lawyer at Pepper (Hamilton?) who transferred from Philly. She said they started her at $135k and she was doing mainly doc review during her first year but then the work became more interesting. She transferred after two years. She said the number of attorneys varied significantly from market-to-market. Not certain if Pepper is considered midlaw, or a tad closer to big law.

Pepper Hamilton is Philly biglaw fwiw.

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Re: Philadelphia MidLaw

Postby transferror » Wed Jun 17, 2015 3:24 pm

scottidsntknow wrote:
LA Spring wrote:Know a lawyer at Pepper (Hamilton?) who transferred from Philly. She said they started her at $135k and she was doing mainly doc review during her first year but then the work became more interesting. She transferred after two years. She said the number of attorneys varied significantly from market-to-market. Not certain if Pepper is considered midlaw, or a tad closer to big law.

Pepper Hamilton is Philly biglaw fwiw.


Yeah, Pepper is Philly biglaw. Philly biglaw market has traditionally ranged from 130-145k, but a handful of firms are raising starting salaries for this Fall's incoming class.

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Re: Philadelphia MidLaw

Postby chuckbass » Wed Jun 17, 2015 3:26 pm

transferror wrote:
scottidsntknow wrote:
LA Spring wrote:Know a lawyer at Pepper (Hamilton?) who transferred from Philly. She said they started her at $135k and she was doing mainly doc review during her first year but then the work became more interesting. She transferred after two years. She said the number of attorneys varied significantly from market-to-market. Not certain if Pepper is considered midlaw, or a tad closer to big law.

Pepper Hamilton is Philly biglaw fwiw.


Yeah, Pepper is Philly biglaw. Philly biglaw market has traditionally ranged from 130-145k, but a handful of firms are raising starting salaries for this Fall's incoming class.

Have you heard of other firms raising salaries yet besides Dechert?

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Re: Philadelphia MidLaw

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Re: Philadelphia MidLaw

Postby chuckbass » Wed Jun 17, 2015 3:57 pm

Oh yeah I forgot about Reed Smith. I'm hoping the other firms that were paying 140-145 do follow Dechert soon.

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Re: Philadelphia MidLaw

Postby transferror » Wed Jun 17, 2015 5:28 pm

scottidsntknow wrote:Oh yeah I forgot about Reed Smith. I'm hoping the other firms that were paying 140-145 do follow Dechert soon.


MLB should, but toss up on the rest. Article below says Duane Morris is evaluating a response.

http://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphia/news/2015/04/08/measured-response-from-rivals-after-dechert-raises.html

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Re: Philadelphia MidLaw

Postby chuckbass » Wed Jun 17, 2015 5:34 pm

transferror wrote:
scottidsntknow wrote:Oh yeah I forgot about Reed Smith. I'm hoping the other firms that were paying 140-145 do follow Dechert soon.


MLB should, but toss up on the rest. Article below says Duane Morris is evaluating a response.

http://www.bizjournals.com/philadelphia/news/2015/04/08/measured-response-from-rivals-after-dechert-raises.html

Thanks for the link. Doesn't sound like this has put as much pressure on firms as I would have thought unfortunately.

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Re: Philadelphia MidLaw

Postby Frm312 » Wed Jun 17, 2015 6:23 pm

I've heard through the grapevine that MLB has already raised to 160 and that ballard is gonna jump to 145

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Re: Philadelphia MidLaw

Postby seespotrun » Wed Jun 17, 2015 8:54 pm

Source?

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Re: Philadelphia MidLaw

Postby transferror » Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:45 am

the grapevine :roll:

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Re: Philadelphia MidLaw

Postby Danger Zone » Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:54 am

LA Spring wrote:I know a Vandy grad working at Saul Ewing Philly. Might add them to the list, she says she likes the firm.

Saul is considered big for Philly. $135k starting and over 200 attorneys.

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Re: Philadelphia MidLaw

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:10 pm

I have an OCI for Saul Ewing in a few weeks, likely for the Philly/Chesterbrook/Princeton office.

Any tips for what to expect? I have spoken to an associate there and the firm is my top choice. I have strong ties to the area




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