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Disciplinary Action in Law School--C&F?

Postby Honeysuckle » Wed Mar 25, 2015 4:09 pm

I had serious disciplinary issues in law school. I am wondering whether they will impact my C&F determination.

In fall 2013, I was placed on University Probation, which lasted for the academic year. In addition, the aggrieved individuals lodged a stay away order against me. Conduct in question was harassing, aggressive, belligerent behavior over the phone, email, and in person.

In May 2014, the probation was lifted. In addition, as of now, the stay away order has been lifted for all but 2 individuals.

In fall 2014, I was charged by my student conduct office with disorderly conduct, creating a community disturbance, failure to comply, and property damage. In addition, while the investigation was ongoing, I was given an interim suspension (not a sanction) and I was banned from campus. Later, my school gave me the option of doing a medical withdrawal in lieu of going thru the student conduct process and receiving a formal sanction. I am still not allowed on campus without the permission of the Dean.

During the medical withdrawal, I have been treated for bipolar disorder. I am under the care of a psychiatrist (monthly), a psychotherapist (weekly), and a bipolar support group (weekly). In addition, I am volunteering with legal aid in the interim to help show my rehabilitation. I will attempt to reenroll in law school in fall 2015, with the recommendation of my psychiatrist, psychotherapist, psychologist, and support group leader that I am not a danger to myself or others.

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Re: Disciplinary Action in Law School--C&F?

Postby sublime » Wed Mar 25, 2015 4:13 pm

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Re: Disciplinary Action in Law School--C&F?

Postby Desert Fox » Wed Mar 25, 2015 4:16 pm

Northwetestn?

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Re: Disciplinary Action in Law School--C&F?

Postby Honeysuckle » Wed Mar 25, 2015 4:17 pm

sublime wrote:Sounds serious enough that I would consult with a C&F lawyer.


Is $3,500 a reasonable fee for an attorney to rep me in C&F? That's what one firm offered.

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Re: Disciplinary Action in Law School--C&F?

Postby Honeysuckle » Wed Mar 25, 2015 4:18 pm

Desert Fox wrote:Northwetestn?


Not confirming nor denying.

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Re: Disciplinary Action in Law School--C&F?

Postby mmelittlechicken » Wed Mar 25, 2015 4:20 pm

Honeysuckle wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:Northwetestn?


Not confirming nor denying.

Guess that's a "confirm."

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Re: Disciplinary Action in Law School--C&F?

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Re: Disciplinary Action in Law School--C&F?

Postby CanadianWolf » Wed Mar 25, 2015 4:25 pm

Based on the facts shared in your original post in this thread, $3,500 seems very reasonable.

When was your bipolar disorder diagnosed ? Were your mood variations caused by failure to take your medication, experimenting with different medications or due to an undiagnosed condition ?

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Re: Disciplinary Action in Law School--C&F?

Postby Honeysuckle » Wed Mar 25, 2015 4:28 pm

CanadianWolf wrote:Based on the facts shared in your original post in this thread, $3,500 seems very reasonable.

When was your bipolar disorder diagnosed ? Were your mood variations caused by failure to take your medication, experimenting with different medications or due to an undiagnosed condition ?


I was diagnosed with bipolar disorder (II) in 2014. Psychotherapist linked the prior disruptive behaviors to undiagnosed bipolar.

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Re: Disciplinary Action in Law School--C&F?

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Mar 25, 2015 4:31 pm

Honeysuckle wrote:
CanadianWolf wrote:Based on the facts shared in your original post in this thread, $3,500 seems very reasonable.

When was your bipolar disorder diagnosed ? Were your mood variations caused by failure to take your medication, experimenting with different medications or due to an undiagnosed condition ?


I was diagnosed with bipolar disorder (II) in 2014. Psychotherapist linked the prior disruptive behaviors to undiagnosed bipolar.


I think you will be fine. Just quote a few law firms or lawyers to see what is the current rate.

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Re: Disciplinary Action in Law School--C&F?

Postby Honeysuckle » Wed Mar 25, 2015 4:34 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Honeysuckle wrote:
CanadianWolf wrote:Based on the facts shared in your original post in this thread, $3,500 seems very reasonable.

When was your bipolar disorder diagnosed ? Were your mood variations caused by failure to take your medication, experimenting with different medications or due to an undiagnosed condition ?


I was diagnosed with bipolar disorder (II) in 2014. Psychotherapist linked the prior disruptive behaviors to undiagnosed bipolar.


I think you will be fine. Just quote a few law firms or lawyers to see what is the current rate.


$3,500 was the cheapest I came across. Other firms were offering $1,000 retainer plus steep hourly rates ($400/hour). I'm sure my case, given how messy it is, will take more than 10 hours to prepare.

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Re: Disciplinary Action in Law School--C&F?

Postby CanadianWolf » Wed Mar 25, 2015 4:34 pm

In my layman's opinion, an undiagnosed medical condition is easier to overcome than when one refuses to take prescribed medication. Hope everything works out for you.

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Re: Disciplinary Action in Law School--C&F?

Postby Capitol_Idea » Wed Mar 25, 2015 4:38 pm

Look: State Bars are gonna look closely at you no matter what. And the burden is on you to show that you will be fit to practice law.

I worry that they will say that mental health issues are no excuse for prior actions. They care about your ability to help clients and function as a lawyer, not merely the degree of culpability for prior events. The spacing of events also doesn't make it seem like a one-off, but a pattern of events that went on until you eventually got the diagnosis (and presumably help) that you need. It doesn't look good.

I'm not an expert, but an initial consult should not cost $3,500. But if that's what the cost is, I'd recommend doing that over not getting the advice. Also: just be sure to disclose EVERYTHING when you go for the bar and don't get into any more trouble.

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Re: Disciplinary Action in Law School--C&F?

Postby Honeysuckle » Wed Mar 25, 2015 4:42 pm

zacharus85 wrote:Look: State Bars are gonna look closely at you no matter what. And the burden is on you to show that you will be fit to practice law.

I worry that they will say that mental health issues are no excuse for prior actions. They care about your ability to help clients and function as a lawyer, not merely the degree of culpability for prior events. The spacing of events also doesn't make it seem like a one-off, but a pattern of events that went on until you eventually got the diagnosis (and presumably help) that you need. It doesn't look good.

I'm not an expert, but an initial consult should not cost $3,500. But if that's what the cost is, I'd recommend doing that over not getting the advice. Also: just be sure to disclose EVERYTHING when you go for the bar and don't get into any more trouble.


The initial consult is not $3,500; that's what the firm wants me to pay them for representing me in C&F.

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Re: Disciplinary Action in Law School--C&F?

Postby AreJay711 » Wed Mar 25, 2015 4:49 pm

I'm not so sure the hourly rate is a bad deal. The C&F issues will come up when it's time to be sworn to the bar. In my state, questionable cases might have a hearing before the highest appellate court. The ones this past year that got in front of court all involved fraud. That said, you will probably need to demonstrate to someone at some point that your disorder will not interfere with your ability to practice law. A C&F lawyer might help and it could take more than 10 hours. A consult, which is all you need now, shouldn't take that long.

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Re: Disciplinary Action in Law School--C&F?

Postby Honeysuckle » Wed Mar 25, 2015 4:51 pm

AreJay711 wrote:I'm not so sure the hourly rate is a bad deal. The C&F issues will come up when it's time to be sworn to the bar. In my state, questionable cases might have a hearing before the highest appellate court. The ones this past year that got in front of court all involved fraud. That said, you will probably need to demonstrate to someone at some point that your disorder will not interfere with your ability to practice law. A C&F lawyer might help and it could take more than 10 hours. A consult, which is all you need now, shouldn't take that long.


I've consulted with numerous attorneys for free consultations and they've given the same generic advice--disclose everything, volunteer with legal aid, continue treatment, etc.

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Re: Disciplinary Action in Law School--C&F?

Postby bretby » Wed Mar 25, 2015 4:53 pm

Desert Fox wrote:Northwetestn?


Not meaning to out anyone, just noting that I've seen you ask this question several times and in several places. And I don't even read this board all that often/have read JD Underground once. Not sure what new light can be shed on it this time as the circumstances don't seem to have changed. My completely uninformed advice would be to stop soliciting opinions online, speak to someone who has actual knowledge of your situation (as opposed to vague stories), and move forward.
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Re: Disciplinary Action in Law School--C&F?

Postby Honeysuckle » Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:00 pm

bretby wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:Northwetestn?


This person has posted extensively on JD Underground - and elsewhere on here I believe. I'm just too lazy to look it up right now. And I think she's at Temple.....somewhere in Philly, at least.


If you know me IRL please do not out me.

I might attend Temple, I might not. That's not relevant or helpful.

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Re: Disciplinary Action in Law School--C&F?

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Re: Disciplinary Action in Law School--C&F?

Postby KM2016 » Wed Mar 25, 2015 6:09 pm

sublime wrote:Stop trying to figure out where OP went/goes to school. It is irrelevant.


Agreed. Don't be a dick.

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Re: Disciplinary Action in Law School--C&F?

Postby Honeysuckle » Thu Mar 26, 2015 8:07 am

bretby wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:Northwetestn?


Not meaning to out anyone, just noting that I've seen you ask this question several times and in several places. And I don't even read this board all that often/have read JD Underground once. Not sure what new light can be shed on it this time as the circumstances don't seem to have changed. My completely uninformed advice would be to stop soliciting opinions online, speak to someone who has actual knowledge of your situation (as opposed to vague stories), and move forward.


I have spoken to people in real life about the situation, including family members, psychiatrists, psychotherapists, my bipolar support group, etc. I was just posing here because I was wondering if any other students have faced discipline in law school and how they have handled it. I want fresh perspective that I might not be able to obtain from people who have a vested interest in me (esp. family members).

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Re: Disciplinary Action in Law School--C&F?

Postby Honeysuckle » Thu Mar 26, 2015 12:35 pm

What are my chances of transferring so I could complete my third year at a local school? I want to complete my JD at a local school so I could continue my treatment for bipolar disorder.

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Re: Disciplinary Action in Law School--C&F?

Postby DELG » Thu Mar 26, 2015 12:39 pm

Honeysuckle wrote:What are my chances of transferring so I could complete my third year at a local school? I want to complete my JD at a local school so I could continue my treatment for bipolar disorder.

You must do 2 years at the school you transfer to. ABA rules.

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Re: Disciplinary Action in Law School--C&F?

Postby Honeysuckle » Thu Mar 26, 2015 12:42 pm

DELG wrote:
Honeysuckle wrote:What are my chances of transferring so I could complete my third year at a local school? I want to complete my JD at a local school so I could continue my treatment for bipolar disorder.

You must do 2 years at the school you transfer to. ABA rules.


Can't I just visit away at a local school and have their credits transfer back to my original school? Same thing.

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Re: Disciplinary Action in Law School--C&F?

Postby catinthewall » Thu Mar 26, 2015 1:30 pm

Honeysuckle wrote:
DELG wrote:
Honeysuckle wrote:What are my chances of transferring so I could complete my third year at a local school? I want to complete my JD at a local school so I could continue my treatment for bipolar disorder.

You must do 2 years at the school you transfer to. ABA rules.


Can't I just visit away at a local school and have their credits transfer back to my original school? Same thing.


Someone at my law school did that for different reasons, but it seemed to work out just fine.




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