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Billing scenario

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Mar 03, 2015 11:52 pm

Here's the scenario:

-Junior associate, transactional practice.
-Some papers are supposed to get signed tonight. It's now 11pm.
-No movement in about 2 hours, except continued assurances that we are in fact signing tonight.
-Senior associate insists that I stay in the office for reasons that cannot be articulated or explained. Our papers are ready to go.
-I have not had actual work to do in about 45 minutes.

Do you bill?

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Re: Billing scenario

Postby MarkinKansasCity » Tue Mar 03, 2015 11:54 pm

Do you have anything else you can work on?

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Re: Billing scenario

Postby Desert Fox » Tue Mar 03, 2015 11:54 pm

Attention to closing (3 hours)

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Re: Billing scenario

Postby MarkinKansasCity » Tue Mar 03, 2015 11:55 pm

Desert Fox wrote:Attention to closing (3 hours)


This kind of thinking is why DF's getting his name on the door someday.

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Re: Billing scenario

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:03 am

MarkinKansasCity wrote:Do you have anything else you can work on?


None at all. Ran out a while ago.

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Re: Billing scenario

Postby FlightoftheEarls » Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:10 am

Anonymous User wrote:
MarkinKansasCity wrote:Do you have anything else you can work on?


None at all. Ran out a while ago.

Yes, you should bill this time. As a general matter, if you have other assignments that you can be working on in the downtime then you should try to attend to those and allocate that time to those matters. However, if your client (or in this case, the senior who is communicating with the client) ever asks you to remain in the office and be available from 8 p.m. until [X] a.m. because of an anticipated signing (even if nothing ever happens) and there is nothing else for you to work on, you 100% bill your time to that client. The partner can write it down if (s)he desires, but you're not staying at work for the joy of it - you're there at the client's request.

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Re: Billing scenario

Postby mvp99 » Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:13 am

Anonymous User wrote:Here's the scenario:

-Junior associate, transactional practice.
-Some papers are supposed to get signed tonight. It's now 11pm.
-No movement in about 2 hours, except continued assurances that we are in fact signing tonight.
-Senior associate insists that I stay in the office for reasons that cannot be articulated or explained. Our papers are ready to go.
-I have not had actual work to do in about 45 minutes.

Do you bill?


How common is this? Unexplained requests with unexplainable deadlines.

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Re: Billing scenario

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:16 am

FlightoftheEarls wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
MarkinKansasCity wrote:Do you have anything else you can work on?


None at all. Ran out a while ago.

Yes, you should bill this time. As a general matter, if you have other assignments that you can be working on in the downtime then you should try to attend to those and allocate that time to those matters. However, if your client (or in this case, the senior who is communicating with the client) ever asks you to remain in the office and be available from 8 p.m. until [X] a.m. because of an anticipated signing (even if nothing ever happens) and there is nothing else for you to work on, you 100% bill your time to that client. The partner can write it down if (s)he desires, but you're not staying at work for the joy of it - you're there at the client's request.


How would you bill that time? Go with DF's "Attention to Closing," or do you have something else in mind?

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Re: Billing scenario

Postby FlightoftheEarls » Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:46 am

Anonymous User wrote:
FlightoftheEarls wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
MarkinKansasCity wrote:Do you have anything else you can work on?


None at all. Ran out a while ago.

Yes, you should bill this time. As a general matter, if you have other assignments that you can be working on in the downtime then you should try to attend to those and allocate that time to those matters. However, if your client (or in this case, the senior who is communicating with the client) ever asks you to remain in the office and be available from 8 p.m. until [X] a.m. because of an anticipated signing (even if nothing ever happens) and there is nothing else for you to work on, you 100% bill your time to that client. The partner can write it down if (s)he desires, but you're not staying at work for the joy of it - you're there at the client's request.


How would you bill that time? Go with DF's "Attention to Closing," or do you have something else in mind?

Yeah, it would typically be something along the lines of "Attend to signing matters, incl. prep. of [all the shit you had been doing that day leading up to the signing]." I tend to be a bit more likely to block bill the closer I get to a hectic signing or closing, but I've never had any pushback on it since those tend to be occasions when the client is fully aware that everyone is pushing at all hours at their behest.

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Re: Billing scenario

Postby Actus Reus » Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:53 am

Desert Fox wrote:Attention to closing (3 hours)


This is correct

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Re: Billing scenario

Postby BeenDidThat » Wed Mar 04, 2015 9:34 am

mvp99 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Here's the scenario:

-Junior associate, transactional practice.
-Some papers are supposed to get signed tonight. It's now 11pm.
-No movement in about 2 hours, except continued assurances that we are in fact signing tonight.
-Senior associate insists that I stay in the office for reasons that cannot be articulated or explained. Our papers are ready to go.
-I have not had actual work to do in about 45 minutes.

Do you bill?


How common is this? Unexplained requests with unexplainable deadlines.


It's called biglaw, and it exists in many major American cities.

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Re: Billing scenario

Postby homestyle28 » Wed Mar 04, 2015 10:53 pm

Actus Reus wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:Attention to closing (3 hours)


This is correct


...per [Sr. Assoc.]




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