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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby 03152016 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:49 pm

yeah, it's notorious for being incomplete + "nlj250" is a stupid measurement + more accurate and comprehensive data is available on lst

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby smaug » Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:52 pm

Brut wrote:yeah, it's notorious for being incomplete + "nlj250" is a stupid measurement + more accurate and comprehensive data is available on lst


How is it incomplete?

It might not be a good measure, but how is it difficult to believe it? Is it shocking that the National Law Journal would care about the National Law Journal 250 firms?

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby 03152016 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:54 pm

dude read literally the first post of the thread
not all firms report
it even says so on the rankings page jesus

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby 03152016 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:56 pm

on the other hand, all schools have to report 101+ attorney firm placement on 509 disclosures
so what's the point of this unreliable and incomplete measurement

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby smaug » Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:59 pm

Brut wrote:dude read literally the first post of the thread
not all firms report
it even says so on the rankings page jesus

It seems more complete than in precious years. I'm just wondering what the basis for your feeling that it has to be "wrong" is. It doesn't seem that surprising to me.

Brut wrote:on the other hand, all schools have to report 101+ attorney firm placement on 509 disclosures
so what's the point of this unreliable and incomplete measurement


I mean, I figure the NLJ likes to promote the NLJ and its survey of large firms. I also have the feeling that practitioners might be (slightly) more likely to look at this than at LST, thought I'd be surprised if they really cared about either.

Just seems like an odd thing to get worked up about.

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby 03152016 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:02 pm

explain to us how it seems more complete than in previous years

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby 03152016 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:07 pm

idk why you're so weirdly insistent on defending nlj's honor but trust me, this ranking is meaningless and no practitioner is going to change their mind about a school because of it

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby smaug » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:11 pm

Brut wrote:explain to us how it seems more complete than in previous years

Tiago Splitter wrote:S&C's New York office didn't respond to the survey last year and that probably accounts for most of the difference. It looks like all the big names are accounted for this year.


Brut wrote:idk why you're so weirdly insistent on defending nlj's honor but trust me, this ranking is meaningless and no practitioner is going to change their mind about a school because of it

I didn't think they would change their mind about a school because of it. I think a practitioner might see it pop up among other things while they're wasting time, and click on it with placid curiosity as to hiring is doing everywhere, and then probably exits out after seeing that things are getting a little better but still aren't what they used to be.

I don't understand why you think this is some real ranking beyond a publication that measures the size of law firms listing the schools that new hires to those firms came from. They're about data collection. This is just publication of some of that data.

So, again, I'm just kinda confused why you're attacking something so trivial, and why you're so worked up about it.

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby 03152016 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:20 pm

Jason Taverner wrote:
Brut wrote:explain to us how it seems more complete than in previous years

Tiago Splitter wrote:S&C's New York office didn't respond to the survey last year and that probably accounts for most of the difference. It looks like all the big names are accounted for this year.


Brut wrote:idk why you're so weirdly insistent on defending nlj's honor but trust me, this ranking is meaningless and no practitioner is going to change their mind about a school because of it

I didn't think they would change their mind about a school because of it. I think a practitioner might see it pop up among other things while they're wasting time, and click on it with placid curiosity as to hiring is doing everywhere, and then probably exits out after seeing that things are getting a little better but still aren't what they used to be.

I don't understand why you think this is some real ranking beyond a publication that measures the size of law firms listing the schools that new hires to those firms came from. They're about data collection. This is just publication of some of that data.

So, again, I'm just kinda confused why you're attacking something so trivial, and why you're so worked up about it.

i really don't understand your white knighting of nlj, are you on the payroll or something?
i apologize that you find the reality of this so offensive, but the truth is that no practitioner gives a shit about your "go to law schools" ranking
and yes, it is a ranking. it even refers to itself as a ranking, if you bothered to check the page
it is completely meaningless, notoriously incomplete, and worst of all, misleading to 0Ls
nlj250 itself is a pointless distinction
and all national rankings of law schools (not just this one) are idiotic

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby chuckbass » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:23 pm

Simmer down bb.

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby smaug » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:25 pm

You really like arguing against things that people didn't say.

Yes, you've got me, I am a secret shill of the National Law Journal, sent here to talk about reddit and lure 0Ls into trusting a very misleading ranking. We wish we were as good as other law school rankings, but we only have so much time, so we rush this to publication every year.

Hopefully we'll be able to dupe some 0Ls into making a decision they'll regret.

We also think that the largest law firms are the best, because they have the most people. Top of the NLJ 250 should mean the best and always means the best. We're taking on Vault and USNews. Prepare yourself, world.

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby cron1834 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:30 pm

Obviously the ABA 101+ data is tons better, especially for shameless TTTs like my school.

When is that out again? NLJ is fun to look at, but I'm less concerned with it.

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby bearsfan23 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:31 pm

Jason Taverner wrote:You really like arguing against things that people didn't say.

Yes, you've got me, I am a secret shill of the National Law Journal, sent here to talk about reddit and lure 0Ls into trusting a very misleading ranking. We wish we were as good as other law school rankings, but we only have so much time, so we rush this to publication every year.

Hopefully we'll be able to dupe some 0Ls into making a decision they'll regret.

We also think that the largest law firms are the best, because they have the most people. Top of the NLJ 250 should mean the best and always means the best. We're taking on Vault and USNews. Prepare yourself, world.


You really shouldn't take Brut seriously. He gets worked up and throws a TLS bitch fest over the most minor, insignificant things. I think everyone else is on board about what the NLJ "rankings" really are and what they actually show.

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby smaug » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:32 pm

bearsfan23 wrote:
Jason Taverner wrote:You really like arguing against things that people didn't say.

Yes, you've got me, I am a secret shill of the National Law Journal, sent here to talk about reddit and lure 0Ls into trusting a very misleading ranking. We wish we were as good as other law school rankings, but we only have so much time, so we rush this to publication every year.

Hopefully we'll be able to dupe some 0Ls into making a decision they'll regret.

We also think that the largest law firms are the best, because they have the most people. Top of the NLJ 250 should mean the best and always means the best. We're taking on Vault and USNews. Prepare yourself, world.


You really shouldn't take Brut seriously. He gets worked up and throws a TLS bitch fest over the most minor, insignificant things. I think everyone else is on board about what the NLJ "rankings" really are and what they actually show.


Excuse me while I tent my fingers and mutter "excellent" just out of earshot.

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby 03152016 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:39 pm

ah yes excellent my shitty opinion is affirmed by another poster who shares the same shitty opinion!

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby 03152016 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:43 pm

bearsfan23 wrote:He gets worked up and throws a TLS bitch fest over the most minor, insignificant things.

lol hey aren't you that guy who started an argument over my calling a ranking a "ranking"
you can't make this stuff up

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby smaug » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:45 pm

Brut wrote:ah yes excellent my shitty opinion is affirmed by another poster who shares the same shitty opinion!


No no, I'm happy that the plan for NLJ domination is working. We've already started to brainwash your peers. Imagine how easy it'll be to prey on unsuspecting 0Ls with our misleading rankings.

We're going to make a fortune off of this!

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby nothingtosee » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:50 pm

Brut wrote:
bearsfan23 wrote:He gets worked up and throws a TLS bitch fest over the most minor, insignificant things.

lol hey aren't you that guy who started an argument over my calling a ranking a "ranking"
you can't make this stuff up


Brut, do you consider yourself an easily agitated person?

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby 03152016 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:54 pm

Jason Taverner wrote:stuff

i just don't get the white knighting, especially since you find this stuff "minor" and "insignificant"
if it's so insignificant to you, why defend it to the end of the earth?
my point (that this is a useless, incomplete, and potentially misleading ranking (as all national rankings of law schools are)) hasn't been challenged, except by the argument that it wasn't intended to be a ranking a la USNWR, which is bullshit because (a) the problem arises in how 0Ls use it, not in what it's intended for, and (b) there's no other legitimate purpose for putting it in a ranking form and calling it a "ranking" with "ranks", than to try to compete with usnwr, which is widely watched by prospective students, generating considerable traffic. if they were truly just interested in sharing the raw data and had no interest in being perceived as a law school ranking, why call it "the go to law schools", why refer to it as a "ranking", why assign each school a "rank", why include the tagline "ranking the go-to schools". this completely undermines the argument that it's not intended to be relied on as a measurement of what schools students should go to.

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby 03152016 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:55 pm

Jason Taverner wrote:
Brut wrote:ah yes excellent my shitty opinion is affirmed by another poster who shares the same shitty opinion!


No no, I'm happy that the plan for NLJ domination is working. We've already started to brainwash your peers. Imagine how easy it'll be to prey on unsuspecting 0Ls with our misleading rankings.

We're going to make a fortune off of this!

yes very clever

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby Tiago Splitter » Mon Feb 23, 2015 11:04 pm

Brut wrote:yeah, it's notorious for being incomplete + "nlj250" is a stupid measurement + more accurate and comprehensive data is available on lst

Not yet. The rest of your schtick has grown tired.

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby 03152016 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 11:06 pm

then prove me wrong

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby Kimikho » Mon Feb 23, 2015 11:07 pm

scottidsntknow wrote:Simmer down bb.

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby 03152016 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 11:14 pm

it's a perfectly legitimate point, tho not one that i expected to have to defend for a page and a half
tiago's non-response is typical for him, i'm not particularly interested in going another round

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby Tiago Splitter » Mon Feb 23, 2015 11:22 pm

Brut wrote:then prove me wrong

There isn't any data on lst for class of 2014. In a few months there will be and then everyone will have forgotten about this list.




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