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C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby Tiago Splitter » Mon Feb 23, 2015 11:01 am

http://www.nationallawjournal.com/home/ ... 0123095453

So which giant firms didn't report this year?

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby moonman157 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 11:40 am

Damn, Howard killed it this year. Not bad for a TTT

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby mandimeoutof10 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 12:08 pm

Takeaways:
USC beat UCLA
Yale is now a TTT
Irvine did pretty well

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby Cobretti » Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:07 pm

looks like generally better than c/o 2013, as expected.

2013 for reference

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby eriedoctrine » Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:52 pm

moonman157 wrote:Damn, Howard killed it this year. Not bad for a TTT


Howard has decent BL placement. You just have to be AA or employers won't even look at you.

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby bearsfan23 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:59 pm

eriedoctrine wrote:
moonman157 wrote:Damn, Howard killed it this year. Not bad for a TTT


Howard has decent BL placement. You just have to be AA or employers won't even look at you.


I don't think Howard-grad and former K&E associate Dean Andre Pond Douglas Cummings would agree

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby eriedoctrine » Mon Feb 23, 2015 3:01 pm

bearsfan23 wrote:
eriedoctrine wrote:
moonman157 wrote:Damn, Howard killed it this year. Not bad for a TTT


Howard has decent BL placement. You just have to be AA or employers won't even look at you.


I don't think Howard-grad and former K&E associate Dean Andre Pond Douglas Cummings would agree


That's andré douglas pond cummings to you!
K&E also needed hip hop lawyers at the time.

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Feb 23, 2015 3:07 pm

Suprised Loyola LA made top 50

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby eriedoctrine » Mon Feb 23, 2015 3:10 pm

Also, Michigan.... sigh, you were once part of the trinity.

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby moonman157 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 4:09 pm

eriedoctrine wrote:
moonman157 wrote:Damn, Howard killed it this year. Not bad for a TTT


Howard has decent BL placement. You just have to be AA or employers won't even look at you.


At least from 2013 to 2014 they more than doubled BL placement. They've definitely always significantly outperformed their ranking, but to be essentially in the band of schools just outside of the T14 when it comes to BL placement (depending on how big we make that band) seems pretty remarkable.

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby Yardbird » Mon Feb 23, 2015 4:16 pm

When you account for self selection into public service at UVA (seems like 25-30% of the class), that's a pretty high percentage of people who got biglaw out of the ones who wanted it.

Also UVA has a lot who clerk and then go back to their firms. So probably even higher.

It's cute, though, that they think UVA tuition is $51,800

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby bowser » Mon Feb 23, 2015 4:21 pm

The whole NLJ thing seems less and less useful every year. If you're concerned about employment I'd wait til the ABA reports come out.

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby bearsfan23 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 4:26 pm

shadowofjazz wrote:When you account for self selection into public service at UVA (seems like 25-30% of the class), that's a pretty high percentage of people who got biglaw out of the ones who wanted it.

Also UVA has a lot who clerk and then go back to their firms. So probably even higher.

It's cute, though, that they think UVA tuition is $51,800


This isn't any different for any of UVA's peer schools. The only T14's whose employment reality isn't at least somewhat accurately represented in the NLJ250 are HYS

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby Tiago Splitter » Mon Feb 23, 2015 4:31 pm

Cobretti wrote:looks like generally better than c/o 2013, as expected.

2013 for reference

S&C's New York office didn't respond to the survey last year and that probably accounts for most of the difference. It looks like all the big names are accounted for this year.

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby misanthrope » Mon Feb 23, 2015 8:55 pm

Wow...Howard beat GW, WUSTL, Emory and Minnesota...that's astonishing. Good for them.

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:15 pm

Annnd my school drops to a 3 year low and out of the top 50 at around 8.something percent, in an improving market, while our in-state "peer" continues to make gains and is now ahead by 10%.

What a confidence booster. Transferring seems more and more attractive.

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby 03152016 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:17 pm

i find these results difficult to believe
even if accurate, it's a useless measurement, as are all national rankings of law schools
this isn't more instructive or accurate than just sorting schools by 101+ placement on lst
not that it'll happen, but the right way to do this would be region specific, measuring placement by oci success rate and selectivity (maybe gpa cutoffs, placement in top firms, etc), factoring in a3 and other sought-after positions, including non-nlj250 firms that pay market

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby bearsfan23 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:25 pm

Brut wrote:i find these results difficult to believe
even if accurate, it's a useless measurement, as are all national rankings of law schools
this isn't more instructive or accurate than just sorting schools by 101+ placement on lst
not that it'll happen, but the right way to do this would be region specific, measuring placement by oci success rate and selectivity (maybe gpa cutoffs, placement in top firms, etc), factoring in a3 and other sought-after positions, including non-nlj250 firms that pay market


You do realize these aren't "rankings", this is just raw placement data among NLJ250 firms. It's not determinative of anything on its own

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby 03152016 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:30 pm

bearsfan23 wrote:
Brut wrote:i find these results difficult to believe
even if accurate, it's a useless measurement, as are all national rankings of law schools
this isn't more instructive or accurate than just sorting schools by 101+ placement on lst
not that it'll happen, but the right way to do this would be region specific, measuring placement by oci success rate and selectivity (maybe gpa cutoffs, placement in top firms, etc), factoring in a3 and other sought-after positions, including non-nlj250 firms that pay market


You do realize these aren't "rankings", this is just raw placement data among NLJ250 firms. It's not determinative of anything on its own

how silly of me, how could anyone think these are rankings when the very first header says "Rank" and the text below the chart refers to "The rankings"

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby Iagreetotheseterms » Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:30 pm

bowser wrote:The whole NLJ thing seems less and less useful every year. If you're concerned about employment I'd wait til the ABA reports come out.


Do you know when these will be coming out?

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby 03152016 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:33 pm

also, the fact they chose a single stupid measurement instead of several stupid measurements for their rankings means literally nothing

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby bearsfan23 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:42 pm

Brut wrote:
bearsfan23 wrote:
Brut wrote:i find these results difficult to believe
even if accurate, it's a useless measurement, as are all national rankings of law schools
this isn't more instructive or accurate than just sorting schools by 101+ placement on lst
not that it'll happen, but the right way to do this would be region specific, measuring placement by oci success rate and selectivity (maybe gpa cutoffs, placement in top firms, etc), factoring in a3 and other sought-after positions, including non-nlj250 firms that pay market


You do realize these aren't "rankings", this is just raw placement data among NLJ250 firms. It's not determinative of anything on its own

how silly of me, how could anyone think these are rankings when the very first header says "Rank" and the text below the chart refers to "The rankings"



No problem, you learn something new everyday

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby 03152016 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:44 pm

i love watching idiots lean in

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby 03152016 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:46 pm

don't taze me romo

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Re: C/O 2014 NLJ 250 Numbers

Postby smaug » Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:46 pm

Why do you find them difficult to believe? Is there a problem with the data?




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