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1st year biglaw lit associates--how's your experience so far

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Feb 12, 2015 3:55 pm

Mine has consisted of 90% doc review, which is pretty horrible. Is this normal?

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Re: 1st year biglaw lit associates--how's your experience so far

Postby JohannDeMann » Thu Feb 12, 2015 3:59 pm

are you in NYC? yeah thats normal.

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Re: 1st year biglaw lit associates--how's your experience so far

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:00 pm

JohannDeMann wrote:are you in NYC? yeah thats normal.


Not NYC, but top5 city. How long should this last?

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Re: 1st year biglaw lit associates--how's your experience so far

Postby JohannDeMann » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:07 pm

not sure how long it lasts. maybe 1-2 years? the people i know who did this for the first full year quit and left. i dont imagine it can last much longer than first 2 years but who knows.

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Postby Anonymous User » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:10 pm

JohannDeMann wrote:not sure how long it lasts. maybe 1-2 years? the people i know who did this for the first full year quit and left. i dont imagine it can last much longer than first 2 years but who knows.


This is what I'm trying to gauge. If it's abnormal, I want to start looking around for something else. I would rather not do this for 2 years straight and learn nothing. However, if it is typical to do nothing but doc review for the first 1-2 yrs, I'll stay put

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Re: 1st year biglaw lit associates--how's your experience so far

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JohannDeMann wrote:not sure how long it lasts. maybe 1-2 years? the people i know who did this for the first full year quit and left. i dont imagine it can last much longer than first 2 years but who knows.


This is what I'm trying to gauge. If it's abnormal, I want to start looking around for something else. I would rather not do this for 2 years straight and learn nothing. However, if it is typical to do nothing but doc review for the first 1-2 yrs, I'll stay put


anyone?

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Re: 1st year biglaw lit associates--how's your experience so far

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Feb 12, 2015 5:08 pm

I'm a first year at a biglaw firm well known for its litigation practice, and doc review has comprised approximately 20-30% of my work thus far. I've also been performing research, drafting memos, drafting sections of briefs, drafting discovery, and drafting pleadings (e.g., Answers, pro hac vice motions, declarations in support of motions, etc.).

To some extent it depends on the cases on which you're staffed--if you're on a big securities case in discovery, you're going to do a lot of doc review.

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Postby 15 styx » Thu Feb 12, 2015 5:12 pm

Be careful on what you ask for. I passed up BL (+1000 attorneys) and a salary 12k more than what I am receiving now for mid/small law (<60 lawyers) because I didn’t want to get stuck just doing doc review. My week consists of depositions, writing motions, research, meeting clients (office and away), conf calls on trial teams for multimillion dollar cases, etc., and yes, some doc review.

While I enjoy collaborating with partners, I am conflicted, given the enormity my never-ending workload. Like I noted earlier, be careful what you ask for. The idea of free weekends, 9/5 days and the extra 12k, has me second guessing my choice.

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Postby Anonymous User » Thu Feb 12, 2015 5:16 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I'm a first year at a biglaw firm well known for its litigation practice, and doc review has comprised approximately 20-30% of my work thus far. I've also been performing research, drafting memos, drafting sections of briefs, drafting discovery, and drafting pleadings (e.g., Answers, pro hac vice motions, declarations in support of motions, etc.).

To some extent it depends on the cases on which you're staffed--if you're on a big securities case in discovery, you're going to do a lot of doc review.


That sounds pleasant enough. I wish my day to day had some variation like this. I will very occasionally be asked to do research or draft a garbage motion. Otherwise I'm clicking through documents.
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Postby Anonymous User » Thu Feb 12, 2015 5:17 pm

15 styx wrote:Be careful on what you ask for. I passed up BL (+1000 attorneys) and a salary 12k more than what I am receiving now for mid/small law (<60 lawyers) because I didn’t want to get stuck just doing doc review. My week consists of depositions, writing motions, research, meeting clients (office and away), conf calls on trial teams for multimillion dollar cases, etc., and yes, some doc review.

While I enjoy collaborating with partners, I am conflicted, given the enormity my never-ending workload. Like I noted earlier, be careful what you ask for. The idea of free weekends, 9/5 days and the extra 12k, has me second guessing my choice.


I still have to make hours, so it's not 9-5 with free weekends. How much are you billing /yr?

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Re: 1st year biglaw lit associates--how's your experience so far

Postby Desert Fox » Thu Feb 12, 2015 5:21 pm

I'm surprised. Is this V10 + other eilite shitigation firms?

My clients would revolt if I was doing that much doc review. That kind of work is for waterbrains.

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Postby Anonymous User » Thu Feb 12, 2015 5:23 pm

Desert Fox wrote:I'm surprised. Is this V10 + other eilite shitigation firms?

My clients would revolt if I was doing that much doc review. That kind of work is for waterbrains.


V100, not v10, not elite lit

I'm on multiple doc reviews, so it's not for a single client

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Postby 15 styx » Thu Feb 12, 2015 5:31 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I still have to make hours, so it's not 9-5 with free weekends. How much are you billing /yr?

Guesstimating 500k since I have no idea how much might be written off.

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15 styx wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I still have to make hours, so it's not 9-5 with free weekends. How much are you billing /yr?

Guesstimating 500k since I have no idea how much might be written off.

I meant hours

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Postby bruinfan10 » Thu Feb 12, 2015 5:59 pm

15 styx wrote:Be careful on what you ask for. I passed up BL (+1000 attorneys) and a salary 12k more than what I am receiving now for mid/small law (<60 lawyers) because I didn’t want to get stuck just doing doc review. My week consists of depositions, writing motions, research, meeting clients (office and away), conf calls on trial teams for multimillion dollar cases, etc., and yes, some doc review.

While I enjoy collaborating with partners, I am conflicted, given the enormity my never-ending workload. Like I noted earlier, be careful what you ask for. The idea of free weekends, 9/5 days and the extra 12k, has me second guessing my choice.

Dude...what bizarro-world biglaw firm do you think pays you decent money to work 9/5 and take weekends off? You're on call 24/7 either way, the only question is whether you're spending your life doing doc review or spending it doing something that actually resembles legal work. I don't know which one sounds worse; doc review is mind numbing but at least you can hide--substantive works gives you a hell of a lot of rope to hang yourself with.
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Re: 1st year biglaw lit associates--how's your experience so far

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bruinfan10 wrote:
15 styx wrote:Be careful on what you ask for. I passed up BL (+1000 attorneys) and a salary 12k more than what I am receiving now for mid/small law (<60 lawyers) because I didn’t want to get stuck just doing doc review. My week consists of depositions, writing motions, research, meeting clients (office and away), conf calls on trial teams for multimillion dollar cases, etc., and yes, some doc review.

While I enjoy collaborating with partners, I am conflicted, given the enormity my never-ending workload. Like I noted earlier, be careful what you ask for. The idea of free weekends, 9/5 days and the extra 12k, has me second guessing my choice.

Dude...what bizarro-world biglaw firm do you think pays you decent money to work 9/5 and take weekends off? You're on call 24/7 either way, the only question is whether you're spending your life doing doc review vs something that actually resembles legal work. I don't know which one sounds worse; doc review is mind numbing but at least you can hide--substantive works gives you a hell of a lot of rope to hang yourself with.


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bruinfan10 wrote:
15 styx wrote:Be careful on what you ask for. I passed up BL (+1000 attorneys) and a salary 12k more than what I am receiving now for mid/small law (<60 lawyers) because I didn’t want to get stuck just doing doc review. My week consists of depositions, writing motions, research, meeting clients (office and away), conf calls on trial teams for multimillion dollar cases, etc., and yes, some doc review.

While I enjoy collaborating with partners, I am conflicted, given the enormity my never-ending workload. Like I noted earlier, be careful what you ask for. The idea of free weekends, 9/5 days and the extra 12k, has me second guessing my choice.

Dude...what bizarro-world biglaw firm do you think pays you decent money to work 9/5 and take weekends off? You're on call 24/7 either way, the only question is whether you're spending your life doing doc review or spending it doing something that actually resembles legal work. I don't know which one sounds worse; doc review is mind numbing but at least you can hide--substantive works gives you a hell of a lot of rope to hang yourself with.


I think I'd prefer the more hectic existence of substantive work than steady doc review hours. I don't feel like I'm learning anything and it kind of scares me. Hence this thread--I would like to know if I need to start planning a move within the year

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Re: 1st year biglaw lit associates--how's your experience so far

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Desert Fox wrote:I'm surprised. Is this V10 + other eilite shitigation firms?

My clients would revolt if I was doing that much doc review. That kind of work is for waterbrains.


V100, not v10, not elite lit

I'm on multiple doc reviews, so it's not for a single client


90% is pretty abnormal from what I've seen. I think about 40% of my hours my first year (NYC biglaw) were doc review. Clients aren't really willing to pay a junior's rate for that shit anymore.

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Re: 1st year biglaw lit associates--how's your experience so far

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Feb 12, 2015 6:20 pm

1st year, NYC, lit. 5% doc review. really enjoy the experience as I, and most of my class, am getting to do a variety of stuff, some substantive, so less so. One thing I see, that is not talked about much here, is that it seems like if you ask for more responsibility, they will give it to you.

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Anonymous User wrote:1st year, NYC, lit. 5% doc review. really enjoy the experience as I, and most of my class, am getting to do a variety of stuff, some substantive, so less so. One thing I see, that is not talked about much here, is that it seems like if you ask for more responsibility, they will give it to you.


What is the less substantive work you're doing? What's the substantive?

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Anonymous User wrote:1st year, NYC, lit. 5% doc review. really enjoy the experience as I, and most of my class, am getting to do a variety of stuff, some substantive, so less so. One thing I see, that is not talked about much here, is that it seems like if you ask for more responsibility, they will give it to you.


What is the less substantive work you're doing? What's the substantive?


I would say the more substantive stuff ranges from brief writing in pro bono cases, at the most substantive, to legal research, presentations about factual issues in cases, prepping partners for depositions, on the mildly substantive side.
The less substantive stuff, though still not doc review, is case and fact management stuff, like liasing with vendors, responding to document subpoenas, finding and then arranging (already culled) documents into deposition binders.
Contract attorneys do the doc review.

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Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:1st year, NYC, lit. 5% doc review. really enjoy the experience as I, and most of my class, am getting to do a variety of stuff, some substantive, so less so. One thing I see, that is not talked about much here, is that it seems like if you ask for more responsibility, they will give it to you.


What is the less substantive work you're doing? What's the substantive?


I would say the more substantive stuff ranges from brief writing in pro bono cases, at the most substantive, to legal research, presentations about factual issues in cases, prepping partners for depositions, on the mildly substantive side.
The less substantive stuff, though still not doc review, is case and fact management stuff, like liasing with vendors, responding to document subpoenas, finding and then arranging (already culled) documents into deposition binders.
Contract attorneys do the doc review.


Thanks. Reading this makes me think I need to make a move. Sounds like you're learning a good amount.

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Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:1st year, NYC, lit. 5% doc review. really enjoy the experience as I, and most of my class, am getting to do a variety of stuff, some substantive, so less so. One thing I see, that is not talked about much here, is that it seems like if you ask for more responsibility, they will give it to you.


What is the less substantive work you're doing? What's the substantive?


I would say the more substantive stuff ranges from brief writing in pro bono cases, at the most substantive, to legal research, presentations about factual issues in cases, prepping partners for depositions, on the mildly substantive side.
The less substantive stuff, though still not doc review, is case and fact management stuff, like liasing with vendors, responding to document subpoenas, finding and then arranging (already culled) documents into deposition binders.
Contract attorneys do the doc review.

That's the stuff that would force me to go with a substantive job. I would lose my mind putting together binders.

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bruinfan10 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:1st year, NYC, lit. 5% doc review. really enjoy the experience as I, and most of my class, am getting to do a variety of stuff, some substantive, so less so. One thing I see, that is not talked about much here, is that it seems like if you ask for more responsibility, they will give it to you.


What is the less substantive work you're doing? What's the substantive?


I would say the more substantive stuff ranges from brief writing in pro bono cases, at the most substantive, to legal research, presentations about factual issues in cases, prepping partners for depositions, on the mildly substantive side.
The less substantive stuff, though still not doc review, is case and fact management stuff, like liasing with vendors, responding to document subpoenas, finding and then arranging (already culled) documents into deposition binders.
Contract attorneys do the doc review.

That's the stuff that would force me to go with a substantive job. I would lose my mind putting together binders.


Yeah, well, it's really not bad, if you've had other jobs and less money and stuff. There are is certianly no shortage of entitlement in this industry.

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Re: 1st year biglaw lit associates--how's your experience so far

Postby Desert Fox » Thu Feb 12, 2015 9:40 pm

Well yea making binders for 160k isn't a bad deal.

The issue is that you are responsible for your development. If you doc rev for 2 years suddenly ur the third year That doesn't know shit about shit.




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