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Re: CYBERCRIME

Postby lacrossebrother » Thu Jan 22, 2015 2:36 pm

Is cybercrime prosecution cooler than post data breach notification compliance work?

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Re: CYBERCRIME

Postby fats provolone » Thu Jan 22, 2015 2:36 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
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911 crisis actor wrote:Just do AUSA, brother

may as well say just do biglaw partner, right?

Is AUSA really that hard?

i actually don't know. would be interested to hear the answer

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Re: CYBERCRIME

Postby lacrossebrother » Thu Jan 22, 2015 2:40 pm

I just think that CYBERSCURITY is the better side to be on, man

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Re: CYBERCRIME

Postby fats provolone » Thu Jan 22, 2015 2:44 pm

lacrossebrother wrote:I just think that CYBERSCURITY is the better side to be on, man

you could be right. and less likely to require me to move to DC. it's mostly that prosecution seems like an easier route for me than in house data security. i dunno if they hire a lot of patent litigators

another option is like DoD or NSA I guess

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Re: CYBERCRIME

Postby Desert Fox » Thu Jan 22, 2015 2:44 pm

A real CYBERLAWYER makes is his own work by doing the crime and the prosecuting an innocent person. SEe Buttcoin.com

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Re: CYBERCRIME

Postby fats provolone » Thu Jan 22, 2015 2:45 pm

Desert Fox wrote:A real CYBERLAWYER makes is his own work by doing the crime and the prosecuting an innocent person. SEe Buttcoin.com

yea this is my end game basically

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Re: CYBERCRIME

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jan 22, 2015 2:56 pm

fats provolone wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
fats provolone wrote:
911 crisis actor wrote:Just do AUSA, brother

may as well say just do biglaw partner, right?

Is AUSA really that hard?

i actually don't know. would be interested to hear the answer

I think you kind of need to be in the right place at the right time. If there are openings I think you can get something eventually, if you put in the effort to get relevant experience and are willing to go where the openings are. It was a really hard gig to get for a while, because there was a hiring freeze and there was no way in. I don't think it's as bad now.

My experience is outside the major offices, though. I'm sure it's hard to get, say, SDNY. If you have ties to somewhere or connections through your current job it helps a lot (there are former AUSAs in your firm or people from your firm at the local USAO). Also get litigation experience. In part because USAOs want people with experience (at least some), I don't think you can be as fungible when you apply as when you do OCI (where success seems to be based on your school/grades/ability to carry a conversation for 20 mins than any real fit between you and the job. I think USAOs are more interested in fit, so you have to be able to demonstrate some kind of connection with their work).

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Re: CYBERCRIME

Postby fats provolone » Thu Jan 22, 2015 3:11 pm

yea the litigation experience seems like a tough one in biglaw. i just figured it was brutal since it's a desirable job with relatively few spots available

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Re: CYBERCRIME

Postby Desert Fox » Thu Jan 22, 2015 3:57 pm

I think the prudent gameplan is biglawl for 2-3 years -> AUSA -> Back to Biglawl for senior associate with lit experience.

Ironically biglaw really values trial experience but totally refuses to give any to associates. Not a single associate in my group has spent even 1 second before a judge let a lone a jury.

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Re: CYBERCRIME

Postby fats provolone » Thu Jan 22, 2015 4:42 pm

yea once you escape to gov are you gonna want to leave though

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Re: CYBERCRIME

Postby Desert Fox » Thu Jan 22, 2015 4:46 pm

fats provolone wrote:yea once you escape to gov are you gonna want to leave though


maybe when you realize that 130k in DC is nearly impoverished.

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Re: CYBERCRIME

Postby fats provolone » Thu Jan 22, 2015 4:48 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
fats provolone wrote:yea once you escape to gov are you gonna want to leave though


maybe when you realize that 130k in DC is nearly impoverished.

pretty sure if I want AUSA it's gonna have to be somewhere off the grid

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Re: CYBERCRIME

Postby lacrossebrother » Thu Jan 22, 2015 4:52 pm

fats provolone wrote:
lacrossebrother wrote:I just think that CYBERSCURITY is the better side to be on, man

you could be right. and less likely to require me to move to DC. it's mostly that prosecution seems like an easier route for me than in house data security. i dunno if they hire a lot of patent litigators

another option is like DoD or NSA I guess

I think the trick is to write a couple papers, get some encryption certifications after your name, then start a blog about how FUCKED Sony and ups are.

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Re: CYBERCRIME

Postby Shaggier1 » Thu Jan 22, 2015 5:40 pm

Is AUSA really that hard?


In SDNY/NDCA/CDCA, and maybe a few others, yeah.

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Re: CYBERCRIME

Postby ExBiglawAssociate » Thu Jan 22, 2015 6:39 pm

Shaggier1 wrote:
Is AUSA really that hard?


In SDNY/NDCA/CDCA, and maybe a few others, yeah.


DDC

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Re: CYBERCRIME

Postby fats provolone » Thu Jan 22, 2015 6:59 pm

yea that's what i figured. i probably have a shot at some random district of arizona or something though in a couple yrs

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Re: CYBERCRIME

Postby LeDique » Thu Jan 22, 2015 7:03 pm

what about becoming the ausa of guam? if i remember the plot of cryptonomicon right it involved guam, so guam is probably a hotspot for cybercrime

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Re: CYBERCRIME

Postby fats provolone » Thu Jan 22, 2015 7:04 pm

LeDique wrote:what about becoming the ausa of guam? if i remember the plot of cryptonomicon right it involved guam, so guam is probably a hotspot for cybercrime

yea I was thinking about this. or go to state dept and be a diplomat to sealand

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Re: CYBERCRIME

Postby fats provolone » Thu Jan 22, 2015 7:05 pm

they should really have a us attorneys office for D. Internet

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Re: CYBERCRIME

Postby lacrossebrother » Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:41 pm

fats provolone wrote:they should really have a us attorneys office for D. Internet

nah dude internet is too prestigious for district level stuff

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Re: CYBERCRIME

Postby fats provolone » Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:45 pm

lacrossebrother wrote:
fats provolone wrote:they should really have a us attorneys office for D. Internet

nah dude internet is too prestigious for district level stuff

United States Court of Appeals for the Silicon Circuit

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Re: CYBERCRIME

Postby lacrossebrother » Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:10 pm

fats provolone wrote:
lacrossebrother wrote:
fats provolone wrote:they should really have a us attorneys office for D. Internet

nah dude internet is too prestigious for district level stuff

United States Court of Appeals for the Silicon Circuit

judge alsup is a master of the court and java

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Re: CYBERCRIME

Postby postard » Thu Jan 22, 2015 11:07 pm

MSFT and probably a few other companies have departments dedicated to handling computer crimes from their side, so move to Redmond mos def.




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