BIGLAW + 6 months in = very unhappy - any advice?

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Re: BIGLAW + 6 months in = very unhappy - any advice?

Postby Hutz_and_Goodman » Thu Jan 22, 2015 11:07 pm

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Wake up at 7 AM or so, be in to work by 8.

Bill until lunch, then either take a lunch and Hate yourself for it or eat like a troll in your office.

Bill till 6:30 or so, get home around 7:15.

Then try to find time to workout, eat somewhat healthy, relax, etc and then try to get enough sleep.

I'm about to say fuck it and do that 9-5 and just take the heat on billables


I hope this is a joke

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Re: BIGLAW + 6 months in = very unhappy - any advice?

Postby fats provolone » Fri Jan 23, 2015 12:23 am

i rarely stay after 5 but I bill until 1030 usually

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Re: BIGLAW + 6 months in = very unhappy - any advice?

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:35 am

Biglaw_Associate_V20 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:No coif.

Seriously, no debt. I saved my money from my two years working and saved all my summer associate money and took the big scholarship. Parents helped with CoL when needed.


No coif from a T25 = no mobility until you have substantive experience (which may not be for another five years or more).

Sorry.


False. Maybe no mobility at V20 firms but you'll get looks at other firms. I went to a T20 with no coif, got a headhunter after 1-year and he got me 2 interviews, 1 offer at nlj250 firm in a secondary office. I ultimately took a government job. Lawyers can do things than work at mega firms. Firm work was unbearably boring. I wanted to shoot myself everyday and I realized no job was worth being unhappy. Pay is awesome though.

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Re: BIGLAW + 6 months in = very unhappy - any advice?

Postby los blancos » Fri Jan 23, 2015 11:45 am

Yeah those hours aren't bad for biglaw and the pay that comes with it but it also kind of depends on what you're doing. If you absolutely hate or are otherwise bored/not at all mentally stimulated by what you're doing, even a few hours a day makes you want to /self.

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Re: BIGLAW + 6 months in = very unhappy - any advice?

Postby Autumnb13 » Fri Jan 23, 2015 12:02 pm

Anonymous User wrote:OP here - I think I sm beginning to figure out the issue. This job, and maybe legal practice in general does not mesh well with my personality. I think the lack of focus/boredom comes from sitting around drafting and researching things that I don't give a single fuck about. I also find myself craving human interaction of any sort as my days are constantly me sitting alone at my desk.

I have also begun to wake up at 3 am the last few nights thinking I sm going to be late to work/should be billing.

Still don't know how I will ever reach my billable goal.


I wake up in a panic like that too.

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Re: BIGLAW + 6 months in = very unhappy - any advice?

Postby fats provolone » Fri Jan 23, 2015 12:32 pm

found actual photographic evidence that not all lawyers hate their jobs

ur done here tls pessimists

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Re: BIGLAW + 6 months in = very unhappy - any advice?

Postby FSK » Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:44 pm

Biglaw_Associate_V20 wrote:
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Biglaw_Associate_V20 wrote:
Personally, I don't give a shit about Coif if I know you do good work, but people will ding T25ers for not having Coif (and, in fact, our hiring partner, recruiting coordinator and firm-wide hiring guidelines require that we ding junior associate lateral candidates without top 10% credentials). You never know when you're going to get some prestige whore looking at your lateral application, so take that into consideration when slacking off during 2L and 3L. I'm certainly not saying that every practicing biglaw attorney will ding you for no Coif at a T25, but some definitely will.


just wondering, how true is this at T14 schools? like, low honors are good enough to get in the door most places from a T6, but if you want to jump ship do you need high honors as well

(current 3L who is in wondering how hard to gun this year)


No matter who you are, you'll always be shut out of something. Even people with top credentials get pigeon-holed as litigators or whatever after they've been working a number of years. Just do the best you can while you're in law school. It's not like you have anything else to do. As others have said, there is no one-size-fits-all advice here. I think most firms care a lot less about law school grades than my firm, so anything I tell you about my firm is probably 100% irrelevant to what goes on at most firms.


Wilmer, Gibson Dunn, Arnold & Porter, Quinn, SullCrom, and a few others have grade reputations on this board at least. Might be harder to figure out which firms care very little....

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Re: BIGLAW + 6 months in = very unhappy - any advice?

Postby ymmv » Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:47 pm

fats provolone wrote:found actual photographic evidence that not all lawyers hate their jobs

ur done here tls pessimists

Image


*Is actually a passionate lover of his mother-in-law.*

Seems more likely, anyway.

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Re: BIGLAW + 6 months in = very unhappy - any advice?

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jan 23, 2015 5:52 pm

OP here - leaving when I do hardly means I am finished working. Further, I am not making the 160K p/m or anything close to that. As stated, I am in a SECONDARY market. What kills me is the fact that even when I have billable work, the most I can do is 5-6 hours because the shit is so boring.

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Re: BIGLAW + 6 months in = very unhappy - any advice?

Postby MidW13 » Fri Jan 23, 2015 5:53 pm

fats provolone wrote:found actual photographic evidence that not all lawyers hate their jobs

ur done here tls pessimists

Image


loving law driving a RAV-4? GTFO

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Re: BIGLAW + 6 months in = very unhappy - any advice?

Postby fats provolone » Fri Jan 23, 2015 5:57 pm

what you think i bill for to push a fucking rav4?

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Re: BIGLAW + 6 months in = very unhappy - any advice?

Postby sublime » Fri Jan 23, 2015 6:02 pm

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Re: BIGLAW + 6 months in = very unhappy - any advice?

Postby fats provolone » Fri Jan 23, 2015 6:04 pm

(leases an accord)

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Re: BIGLAW + 6 months in = very unhappy - any advice?

Postby Lacepiece23 » Fri Jan 23, 2015 6:07 pm

Anonymous User wrote:OP here - leaving when I do hardly means I am finished working. Further, I am not making the 160K p/m or anything close to that. As stated, I am in a SECONDARY market. What kills me is the fact that even when I have billable work, the most I can do is 5-6 hours because the shit is so boring.


Bro why don't you switch to Lit? Seems to me like Lit in secondary markets is better than New York. Real work right away because you have less associates in your class. Less doc review because clients won't pay for that shit. I don't know why anyone would want to do corporate in a secondary market. Just my .02.

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Re: BIGLAW + 6 months in = very unhappy - any advice?

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jan 23, 2015 6:28 pm

I'm not sure how switching world even work. They put me here, I'm assuming they want me here.

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Re: BIGLAW + 6 months in = very unhappy - any advice?

Postby Desert Fox » Fri Jan 23, 2015 6:31 pm

I have to borrow my wife's RAV4, not flame.

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Re: BIGLAW + 6 months in = very unhappy - any advice?

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:00 pm

OP Here -

I forgot to mention, I had my first review today.

That.... Was.... Not.... Good

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Re: BIGLAW + 6 months in = very unhappy - any advice?

Postby Cogburn87 » Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:12 pm

Lacepiece23 wrote:Bro why don't you switch to Lit? Seems to me like Lit in secondary markets is better than New York. Real work right away because you have less associates in your class. Less doc review because clients won't pay for that shit. I don't know why anyone would want to do corporate in a secondary market. Just my .02.

Clients don't want juniors billing for doc review even in New York. The days of biglaw juniors spending 2-3 years doing mostly doc review are drawing to a close thanks to predictive coding and contract attorneys.

Anyway, doc review isn't even that bad, at least compared to the "real work" that junior litigators in biglaw otherwise get.

ETA: In any event, switching to litigation is definitely not advisable if OP's goal is to get out ASAP.

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Re: BIGLAW + 6 months in = very unhappy - any advice?

Postby fats provolone » Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:14 pm

you still have to babysit the doc reviewers anyway. and you end up having to do a ton of searching, except you actually have to find shit instead of just cruising through docs tagging. unclear which is better.

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Re: BIGLAW + 6 months in = very unhappy - any advice?

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:28 pm

Cogburn87 wrote:
Lacepiece23 wrote:Bro why don't you switch to Lit? Seems to me like Lit in secondary markets is better than New York. Real work right away because you have less associates in your class. Less doc review because clients won't pay for that shit. I don't know why anyone would want to do corporate in a secondary market. Just my .02.

Clients don't want juniors billing for doc review even in New York. The days of biglaw juniors spending 2-3 years doing mostly doc review are drawing to a close thanks to predictive coding and contract attorneys.

Anyway, doc review isn't even that bad, at least compared to the "real work" that junior litigators in biglaw otherwise get.

ETA: In any event, switching to litigation is definitely not advisable if OP's goal is to get out ASAP.



As a single guy, I would like to find a job with some travel/social interaction. Not even sure what that would be though.

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Re: BIGLAW + 6 months in = very unhappy - any advice?

Postby ManoftheHour » Fri Jan 23, 2015 9:32 pm

can i haz?

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Re: BIGLAW + 6 months in = very unhappy - any advice?

Postby los blancos » Fri Jan 23, 2015 11:07 pm

fats provolone wrote:you still have to babysit the doc reviewers anyway. and you end up having to do a ton of searching, except you actually have to find shit instead of just cruising through docs tagging. unclear which is better.


I would take the former over the latter any day. Doc review sucks precisely because it's mindless.

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Re: BIGLAW + 6 months in = very unhappy - any advice?

Postby los blancos » Fri Jan 23, 2015 11:08 pm

Anonymous User wrote:OP here - leaving when I do hardly means I am finished working. Further, I am not making the 160K p/m or anything close to that. As stated, I am in a SECONDARY market. What kills me is the fact that even when I have billable work, the most I can do is 5-6 hours because the shit is so boring.


I know this feel man. I've been at this midlaw/small mkt biglaw thing for a few months now. There are days when I really enjoy it (usually when I'm doing any sort of real work), but there are days when doc review just makes me hate everything.

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Re: BIGLAW + 6 months in = very unhappy - any advice?

Postby fats provolone » Sat Jan 24, 2015 12:12 am

los blancos wrote:
fats provolone wrote:you still have to babysit the doc reviewers anyway. and you end up having to do a ton of searching, except you actually have to find shit instead of just cruising through docs tagging. unclear which is better.


I would take the former over the latter any day. Doc review sucks precisely because it's mindless.

discovery letters aren't mindless? they're actually worse than mindless. anti-mind

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Re: BIGLAW + 6 months in = very unhappy - any advice?

Postby los blancos » Sat Jan 24, 2015 12:33 am

fats provolone wrote:
los blancos wrote:
fats provolone wrote:you still have to babysit the doc reviewers anyway. and you end up having to do a ton of searching, except you actually have to find shit instead of just cruising through docs tagging. unclear which is better.


I would take the former over the latter any day. Doc review sucks precisely because it's mindless.

discovery letters aren't mindless? they're actually worse than mindless. anti-mind


It might just be because I'm super junior and still at the stage where I need to actually figure out what I'm doing when drafting an RFPD, but at least it takes some thinking.




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