Anonymous User wrote:
2L at CLS. the school doesn't release the exact grades for median, which IMO, is good for non-stone students because employers can't figure it out either. after going through EIP, i'd say students are grouped into roughly three (maybe four, if you separate out kent scholars) groups: (1) kent + stone; (2) non-stone people; (3) even lower non-stone people (i'm guessing multiple b-s, straight Bs).
i would worry if you are group 3, but then again, i'm sure there are some anecdotes i don't know of where people in that group got offers. seriously, don't worry about EIP until 1L is over and you get all your grades back. your grades can improve next semester, and even if you stay in group 2, you're okay. i've learned that a lot of stress is artificially produced in law school, and part of what you "learn" in law school is staying grounded and not freaking out about self-imposed anxieties. a lot easier said than done, but one of the benefits of attending CLS is that nearly everyone has a realistic shot at EIP.
I didn't have straight B's my CLS 1L but was not far off--definitely well below median. Nonetheless had three offers. Biglaw at EIP is not guaranteed (though it's quite likely), but grades alone won't be enough to disqualify you. Honestly, the per-hour ROI from working on your interviewing skills is ten times the ROI from studying your casebook.
As a side note - what % of "group 2" people come away from EIP with an offer? I know that the markets people bid, work experience, etc. are relevant. For argument's sake let's assume they bid exclusively NYC, have median work experience, median interview skills, and don't bid wastefully. What are the odds?
Assuming roughly median grades (3.2-3.4): I'd say 95%. Strikeouts almost always have a "bad" something: Bad grades, bad interviewing, bad bidding. A majority of them are deficient in at least two.
Anonymous User wrote:Also - why does every CLS 2L/3L say at admitted students weekend that "as long as you don't totally mess up 1L you'll be fine," but now that I've actually taken out the loans to go here, everyone on TLS and the rest of the internet says "getting Stone is really the only way to guarantee a job."
You will very probably be fine if you don't totally mess up 1L and you average at interviewing. Of course, nothing is guaranteed, but no one says getting Stone is "really the only way to guarantee a job."
As a K-JD 1L at CLS attending at sticker, this whole process has been a mess and I feel like I was duped. "Getting median" doesn't make you safe, even though every 2L/3L you meet at ASW will tell you that it does.
Getting median makes you about as safe as grades can make you. You can screw up any GPA with bad interviewing and/or bad bidding.
Now that I've taken out soul-crushing loans to go here, I discover that it's Kent/Stone (Something like top 1/3rd?) and then everybody else. Sounds an awful lot like the employment prospects of the top 30 schools other than HYS - except that I got merit $$$ to go to those schools. Like the naive 0L that I was, I enrolled here at sticker because "T6 are the only schools worth going to." But now, assuming I end up non-Stone, I will somehow need to develop "amazing" interview skills to get a job in BigLaw because I don't have full-time work experience
SMDH. Feel like an idiot for telling my family that I was in a good place after getting a 3.33. Would do anything to go back in time and not get myself involved in this awful CLS rat-race.
CLS wipes the floor with any non-T6 except for maybe Penn. I'd put it right up there with any other school for someone with Biglaw aspirations.
fats provolone wrote:sticker at cls seems like a pretty terrible plan though tbh
It's really not worse than HYS sticker. Then again, sticker anywhere is not ideal.