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Interviews and bad timing

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Dec 31, 2014 10:13 pm

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Re: Interviews and bad timing

Postby Avian » Thu Jan 01, 2015 1:13 am

You are correct that it is considered bad etiquette to turn down a judge who gives you an offer. Your school's OCS may even have a policy regarding this. If the other job that you are interviewing for is a federal agency, I would not worry very much about it because most of those do not have a path to an actual job from a 1L summer internship. On the other hand if the other interview is for a 1L SA which could very well lead to a permanent job this may take precedence. Another employer will not hold it against you that you accepted an earlier offer from someone else should you apply to them again in the future.

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Re: Interviews and bad timing

Postby NotMyRealName09 » Thu Jan 01, 2015 5:04 am

Ugh. No humility. Show respect for Article III. You're a fucking intern. You say yes immediately. You're not burning bridges elsewhere. You're a 1L. There are a ton of you. P.S. Dumping someone before they dump you drives them crazy.

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Re: Interviews and bad timing

Postby NotMyRealName09 » Thu Jan 01, 2015 5:16 am

Anonymous User wrote:I already searched through forums to see if any thread answered my question. Unfortunately, none did.

I am a 1L.

I have a few interviews lined up with federal judges, and these interviews are coming up soon. If I get an offer, it sounds like (from what I read on TLS) that I would be notified on the spot or right after the interview has ended.

However, I have another interview happening much later---after my judicial internship interviews of course. This is an interview with a firm/gov. agency (I don't want to say which for the sake of anonymity) that is my DREAM place to work at. It is the place I want to work at after graduation.

My plan is to take the federal judicial internship if offered on the spot, because I don't want to get a bad reputation by rejecting the offer. I hear it's really bad to reject federal judicial internships and that judges usually aren't willing to wait awhile for you to get back to them about whether you want to work for them or not. I also hear that splitting summers is generally a no-no with big firms/agencies or federal judicial internships.

Will it look bad if I tell the other employer that I decided to take the fed judicial internship and will not be able to interview with them anymore (especially if that employer is the one I want to work for after graduation)?

What should I do? Obviously, there is always the possibility that all my interviews go badly and no one wants me...but I should be prepared for an offer on the spot.


If you get the internship, you call other set interviewers and tell them you have another internship lined up and are no longer applying. Don't mention your other internship details unless they ask. Then, use your discretion, divulging only appropriately modest details. You don't owe anyone anything, plus no one gives a fuck because there are 30 other intern applicants and none distinguish themselves on paper, so just be a polite normal person.

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Re: Interviews and bad timing

Postby BigZuck » Thu Jan 01, 2015 1:17 pm

If you really want to work for that agency and think you have a good shot at getting it and they hire freshly minted grads I would probably just do that interview and skip the judge interviews. This is the problem with 1L judicial internships. You have to take it if offered, but it's not like there is usually any benefit to doing a COA internship over, say, an internship with a PD in BFE.

Anyway, just IMO, YMMV, etc.

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Re: Interviews and bad timing

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jan 01, 2015 2:13 pm

BigZuck wrote:If you really want to work for that agency and think you have a good shot at getting it and they hire freshly minted grads I would probably just do that interview and skip the judge interviews. This is the problem with 1L judicial internships. You have to take it if offered, but it's not like there is usually any benefit to doing a COA internship over, say, an internship with a PD in BFE.

Anyway, just IMO, YMMV, etc.


OP here. How would I know if the firm/agency hires freshly minted grads that interned with them? How do I go about finding this info? Thanks.

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Re: Interviews and bad timing

Postby BigZuck » Thu Jan 01, 2015 2:22 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
BigZuck wrote:If you really want to work for that agency and think you have a good shot at getting it and they hire freshly minted grads I would probably just do that interview and skip the judge interviews. This is the problem with 1L judicial internships. You have to take it if offered, but it's not like there is usually any benefit to doing a COA internship over, say, an internship with a PD in BFE.

Anyway, just IMO, YMMV, etc.


OP here. How would I know if the firm/agency hires freshly minted grads that interned with them? How do I go about finding this info? Thanks.


I really have no clue. Ask TLS? Search TLS? Do research? Google? Talk to your CSO? Ask the agency?

TLS may or may not have your answer. If you can't find out from a search, you can go ahead and ask TLS, you're anon and there is no way to ID you based on what you have posted.

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Re: Interviews and bad timing

Postby Hutz_and_Goodman » Thu Jan 01, 2015 2:24 pm

You can turn down an art III clerkship (I did)
The only thing that happens is you will never be able to clerk with that judge

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Re: Interviews and bad timing

Postby cookiejar1 » Thu Jan 01, 2015 2:27 pm

Anonymous User wrote:OP here. How would I know if the firm/agency hires freshly minted grads that interned with them? How do I go about finding this info? Thanks.


This is literally why your Office of Career Services exists. Ask them - they should know about the fed agency's hiring practice. My impression is that it's generally pretty tough to land biggov immediately out of law school although I knew of a few entry level attorneys who were presidential management fellows at my federal agency 1L year.

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Re: Interviews and bad timing

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jan 01, 2015 2:53 pm

cookiejar1 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:OP here. How would I know if the firm/agency hires freshly minted grads that interned with them? How do I go about finding this info? Thanks.


This is literally why your Office of Career Services exists. Ask them - they should know about the fed agency's hiring practice. My impression is that it's generally pretty tough to land biggov immediately out of law school although I knew of a few entry level attorneys who were presidential management fellows at my federal agency 1L year.


If my OCS were helpful, I would not have posted on here.

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Re: Interviews and bad timing

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Thu Jan 01, 2015 4:02 pm

Not all judges will make you an offer on the spot, and not all judges will expect you to take the offer on the spot (though yes, it can happen). You can turn down an internship with a judge (although it might be a little awkward to get an offer on the spot and turn it down on the spot) and it won't screw you for anything else, unless you do it in an assholish way or something. Withdrawing after you've accepted is more of a faux pas (though if the other offer is good enough you have to do what's best for you in the long run).

There is absolutely nothing wrong with withdrawing from an interview because you received another job offer. No one will hold that against you. Should that happen, you could always inquire about interning with them at another time (during the school year, next summer).

I'm not aware of any categorical rule against splitting either judicial internships or federal agency ones.

As for which agencies hire straight out of law school, one thing to do is google "honors program" and the name of the agency to see if they have a program for entry-level hiring. Also look at the Arizona government honors/internship handbook. (Your CSO can give you the password for this.)

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Re: Interviews and bad timing

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jan 01, 2015 4:10 pm

A. Nony Mouse wrote:Not all judges will make you an offer on the spot, and not all judges will expect you to take the offer on the spot (though yes, it can happen). You can turn down an internship with a judge (although it might be a little awkward to get an offer on the spot and turn it down on the spot) and it won't screw you for anything else, unless you do it in an assholish way or something. Withdrawing after you've accepted is more of a faux pas (though if the other offer is good enough you have to do what's best for you in the long run).

There is absolutely nothing wrong with withdrawing from an interview because you received another job offer. No one will hold that against you. Should that happen, you could always inquire about interning with them at another time (during the school year, next summer).

I'm not aware of any categorical rule against splitting either judicial internships or federal agency ones.

As for which agencies hire straight out of law school, one thing to do is google "honors program" and the name of the agency to see if they have a program for entry-level hiring. Also look at the Arizona government honors/internship handbook. (Your CSO can give you the password for this.)


OP here. Thank you so much. Do you think it's ok if I ask the judge (If and after I get an on-the-spot offer) if I could split my summer?




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