Mulling. Forum

[Anonymous User]

I would take Bingham and hope that they merge soon with Morgan Lewis.

In the off chance that you're being serious, go away.

[Anonymous User]

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[Anonymous User]

I wouldn't take Seward off the table if GT is known for no-offering people on the reg. At least Seward does 100% offers.

[Anonymous User]

So if we took Seward off the table (the more I read about it, the less I think I want to do any of the work they do), y'all would recommend Greenberg.

The risk there is that they no-offer. So I guess I'll just be conscious of that going in and bust ass over the summer?

I'm starting to think maybe you aren't cut out for BigLaw. 99% of the struggle is doing things you don't want to do...so the sooner you come to terms with that, the sooner you'll choose Seward.

[Anonymous User]

So if we took Seward off the table (the more I read about it, the less I think I want to do any of the work they do), y'all would recommend Greenberg.

The risk there is that they no-offer. So I guess I'll just be conscious of that going in and bust ass over the summer?

Tell me, what kind of work do you "want" to do? What's wrong with Seward & Kissel's practices? How do you envision life as a S&K associate differing from life at GT?

[Anonymous User]

Anecdote, but in my SewKis cb a guy said to "Im in shipping, and haven't gone home before 1am since january." Good & bad in that

[Kikero]

Look, it sounds like you already have your own ideas, so I don't know how valuable this thread is.

Don't go to Bingham. Between S&K and GT take your pick, but the safer choice is S&K and in your own words:

• I'm very risk averse with this, so job security is probably my #1 consideration.

[Anonymous User]

What are the rumors about Morgan Lewis being in trouble about?

[WHJTMG178]

Might be a bad idea to mention that you are disapointed in your options when s&k and GT both have tiny summer classes. How many offerees from Colorado can there possibly be? For your own sake I would delete.

[JamMasterJ]

The bingham merger is problematic because those firms have very different leverage ratios and there is a far greater chance of them downsizing then the otherels

[Anonymous User]

Might be a bad idea to mention that you are disapointed in your options when s&k and GT both have tiny summer classes. How many offerees from Colorado can there possibly be? For your own sake I would delete.

OP here.

I thought the same thing, so I changed the information in the OP so that it doesn't actually reflect my background in any identifiable way. I'm not actually from Colorado, but it's analogous to my home state as far as what I think the legal market there is like. Also note that the people responding are the ones who think the offers aren't great, not me. I'm really happy with my options and am just trying to augment the information I have before I decide. I appreciate the concern though.

[Anonymous User]

Echoing Bingham's sinking ship.

I've heard GT being sketchy about it's payment scales/working their associates to the bone (looking now for source). I interviewed with GT myself and kinda got that feel from the young associates.

Know someone who works at S&K and absolutely loves it and has said that job security is definitely solid there.

[Anonymous User]

Echoing Bingham's sinking ship.

I've heard GT being sketchy about it's payment scales/working their associates to the bone (looking now for source). I interviewed with GT myself and kinda got that feel from the young associates.

Know someone who works at S&K and absolutely loves it and has said that job security is definitely solid there.

I summered at GT, but ended up accepting a full time offer elsewhere. Very happy. All associate work is sweat shop work. If you think any different, you're kidding yourself. The problem with GT is that there is no transparency. There were no billable hour goals. Partners would say that your job is to learn, but no one I talked to billed less than 2400/year, everyone was constantly anxious, and even shareholders would complain about the lack of pay scheme clarity. At first, I questioned my choice to jump ship, but every day I'm more pleased about the decision. Just my $.02.

[911 crisis actor]

FYI the infamous Dennis Block is at GT.

[Anonymous User]

FYI the infamous Dennis Block is at GT.

Why is he infamous?

[baal hadad]

Echoing Bingham's sinking ship.

I've heard GT being sketchy about it's payment scales/working their associates to the bone (looking now for source). I interviewed with GT myself and kinda got that feel from the young associates.

Know someone who works at S&K and absolutely loves it and has said that job security is definitely solid there.

I summered at GT, but ended up accepting a full time offer elsewhere. Very happy. All associate work is sweat shop work. If you think any different, you're kidding yourself. The problem with GT is that there is no transparency. There were no billable hour goals. Partners would say that your job is to learn, but no one I talked to billed less than 2400/year, everyone was constantly anxious, and even shareholders would complain about the lack of pay scheme clarity. At first, I questioned my choice to jump ship, but every day I'm more pleased about the decision. Just my $.02.

Holy shit that sounds terrible

[wwwcol]

Echoing Bingham's sinking ship.

I've heard GT being sketchy about it's payment scales/working their associates to the bone (looking now for source). I interviewed with GT myself and kinda got that feel from the young associates.

Know someone who works at S&K and absolutely loves it and has said that job security is definitely solid there.

I summered at GT, but ended up accepting a full time offer elsewhere. Very happy. All associate work is sweat shop work. If you think any different, you're kidding yourself. The problem with GT is that there is no transparency. There were no billable hour goals. Partners would say that your job is to learn, but no one I talked to billed less than 2400/year, everyone was constantly anxious, and even shareholders would complain about the lack of pay scheme clarity. At first, I questioned my choice to jump ship, but every day I'm more pleased about the decision. Just my $.02.

Holy shit that sounds terrible

True, but having a $160k job you hate is better than being unemployed, which seems to be a much more likely outcome if Op summers at Bingham

[baal hadad]

Echoing Bingham's sinking ship.

I've heard GT being sketchy about it's payment scales/working their associates to the bone (looking now for source). I interviewed with GT myself and kinda got that feel from the young associates.

Know someone who works at S&K and absolutely loves it and has said that job security is definitely solid there.

I summered at GT, but ended up accepting a full time offer elsewhere. Very happy. All associate work is sweat shop work. If you think any different, you're kidding yourself. The problem with GT is that there is no transparency. There were no billable hour goals. Partners would say that your job is to learn, but no one I talked to billed less than 2400/year, everyone was constantly anxious, and even shareholders would complain about the lack of pay scheme clarity. At first, I questioned my choice to jump ship, but every day I'm more pleased about the decision. Just my $.02.

Holy shit that sounds terrible

True, but having a $160k job you hate is better than being unemployed, which seems to be a much more likely outcome if Op summers at Bingham

Which is why I told him Seward for sure

[911 crisis actor]

FYI the infamous Dennis Block is at GT.

Why is he infamous?

Google Dennis Block and 'screamer' or 'yeller' or just 'stories' etc.

[Anonymous User]

What are the rumors about Morgan Lewis being in trouble about?

yes, can someone elaborate?

[Anonymous User]

I summered at GT, but ended up accepting a full time offer elsewhere. Very happy. All associate work is sweat shop work. If you think any different, you're kidding yourself. The problem with GT is that there is no transparency. There were no billable hour goals. Partners would say that your job is to learn, but no one I talked to billed less than 2400/year, everyone was constantly anxious, and even shareholders would complain about the lack of pay scheme clarity. At first, I questioned my choice to jump ship, but every day I'm more pleased about the decision. Just my $.02.

Holy shit that sounds terrible

True, but having a $160k job you hate is better than being unemployed, which seems to be a much more likely outcome if Op summers at Bingham

Which is why I told him Seward for sure

OP dropping Seward from the thread/consideration is a HUGE mistake. Seward is the clear choice between a sinking ship (Bingham) and a known sweatshop (GT).

[Monochromatic Oeuvre]

Not clear on why Seward isn't more popular. So many people bitch about how hard it is to differentiate firms, but Seward actually is strong in a few specialty areas that only a handful of other firms even touch. They're also one of only a few firms who can actually back on the work-life balance line that's bullshit at most other places. I got told variations of "It would be weird for me to miss dinner with my family" and "I call my wife to tell her I'll be late if I have to work past 7:00" and I actually believed them. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I'd guess most S&K associates bill under 2,000 a year. Seward does well at the things law students claim to want (substantive opportunity, a life outside of work) and comparatively less well at the things law students actually want (prestige, prestige and prestige). Consequently, students cross them off their list to decide between a firm with probably one of the ten or fifteen worst sweatshop reputations in Biglaw and a firm in such bad shape it needs to get bought out to avoid bankruptcy.

[Anonymous User]

To pile on, career services at my T6 explicitly counseled people not to go to Bingham due to the risk (which is weird, because this was at OCI where they were interviewing).

[JamMasterJ]

To pile on, career services at my T6 explicitly counseled people not to go to Bingham due to the risk (which is weird, because this was at OCI where they were interviewing).

Probably a "better than nothing" sort of deal. I mean, it's fine to take Bingham if that's all you have

[Anonymous User]

What about now? Change anything?