Any point mass mailing NYC from t14, below median, no ties

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Any point mass mailing NYC from t14, below median, no ties

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:54 pm

By mass mailing I really mean mass filling out online applications on these firms' websites. Slightly below median at a t14. Really feel like this is going to get me nowhere, is incredibly tedious, and I would rather prep for OCI, mail secondary markets, etc.

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Re: Any point mass mailing NYC from t14, below median, no ties

Postby Mal Reynolds » Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:55 pm

I would say that it's a really smart idea to limit the number of job opportunities you have, especially if it's because you're feeling lazy. Don't trouble yourself bro. It's only your career.

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Re: Any point mass mailing NYC from t14, below median, no ties

Postby daleearnhardt123 » Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:59 pm

Mal Reynolds wrote:I would say that it's a really smart idea to limit the number of job opportunities you have, especially if it's because you're feeling lazy. Don't trouble yourself bro. It's only your career.


TITCR. Especially when the market in question is the biggest in the country and doesn't even care about ties.

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Re: Any point mass mailing NYC from t14, below median, no ties

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:32 pm

OP here:

I should have said no ties/connections/really strong softs - ie no networking connections at these firms, no high-level work experience, and I don't go to an east coast school/am not from the east coast. I just have a hard time believing any of these NYC firms are going to love my form cover letter and below median grades enough to give me any kind of an interview. Am I wrong here? What's the point in mass mailing these firms? What's the endgame? Do I need to do something additional other than mass mail - ie reach out to alums in the firms, follow up later, etc. (or is it too late to do these things).

I feel like my time would be better spent targeting secondary markets, targeting midsize firms in the non-NYC major market I'd most like to work, preping for OCI, etc.

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Re: Any point mass mailing NYC from t14, below median, no ties

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:35 pm

I mean I wouldn't mind if you didn't mass mail NYC as I am also lower t-14 median and will be mass mailing the ones I didn't get at OCI, but if I were you I would definitely mass mail. You go to a good school, your grades are not horrendous and it is the largest and easiest market to get big law.

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Re: Any point mass mailing NYC from t14, below median, no ties

Postby DELG » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:35 pm

Your time is best spent contantly grinding and not gnashing teeth about if you should waste your precious time

If you're grinding hard enough you with MM NYC because you already did everything else

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Re: Any point mass mailing NYC from t14, below median, no ties

Postby Mredav44 » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:35 pm

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Re: Any point mass mailing NYC from t14, below median, no ties

Postby jbagelboy » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:38 pm

Anonymous User wrote:OP here:

I should have said no ties/connections/really strong softs - ie no networking connections at these firms, no high-level work experience, and I don't go to an east coast school/am not from the east coast. I just have a hard time believing any of these NYC firms are going to love my form cover letter and below median grades enough to give me any kind of an interview. Am I wrong here? What's the point in mass mailing these firms? What's the endgame? Do I need to do something additional other than mass mail - ie reach out to alums in the firms, follow up later, etc. (or is it too late to do these things).

I feel like my time would be better spent targeting secondary markets, targeting midsize firms in the non-NYC major market I'd most like to work, preping for OCI, etc.


I mean, how long does it take to fill out these applications tho? Like 45 seconds a pop (unless you're doing individualized cover letters)? So doing a hundred applications, counting time to search, is maybe an hour and a half? How pressed for time are you right now?

Sure, it's very unlikely that any individual one of these applications will produce a response and callback, but collectively, there's at least a non-negligible chance that it will convert to an offer. The "time better spent" schpeal is a cop-out. It's negligible. The question is whether you want X% at a job, or maybe (X+5)% at a job. No offense, but Mal's right to attribute this to laziness.

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Re: Any point mass mailing NYC from t14, below median, no ties

Postby baal hadad » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:47 pm

Anonymous User wrote:OP here:

I should have said no ties/connections/really strong softs - ie no networking connections at these firms, no high-level work experience, and I don't go to an east coast school/am not from the east coast. I just have a hard time believing any of these NYC firms are going to love my form cover letter and below median grades enough to give me any kind of an interview. Am I wrong here? What's the point in mass mailing these firms? What's the endgame? Do I need to do something additional other than mass mail - ie reach out to alums in the firms, follow up later, etc. (or is it too late to do these things).

I feel like my time would be better spent targeting secondary markets, targeting midsize firms in the non-NYC major market I'd most like to work, preping for OCI, etc.

Yeah OP I definitely agree it's definitely a good idea to ding yourself and not waste there firms precious time and resources

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Re: Any point mass mailing NYC from t14, below median, no ties

Postby Mal Reynolds » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:49 pm

Anonymous User wrote:OP here:

I should have said no ties/connections/really strong softs - ie no networking connections at these firms, no high-level work experience, and I don't go to an east coast school/am not from the east coast. I just have a hard time believing any of these NYC firms are going to love my form cover letter and below median grades enough to give me any kind of an interview. Am I wrong here? What's the point in mass mailing these firms? What's the endgame? Do I need to do something additional other than mass mail - ie reach out to alums in the firms, follow up later, etc. (or is it too late to do these things).

I feel like my time would be better spent targeting secondary markets, targeting midsize firms in the non-NYC major market I'd most like to work, preping for OCI, etc.


Your time is better spent doing all of the above. Put in a few hours at your 1L job. Do it at night. Stay up later if you have to.

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Re: Any point mass mailing NYC from t14, below median, no ties

Postby TooOld4This » Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:17 pm

Yes, you screwed up. Below median means you should have been networking several months ago. Too late to change the past. Don't compound it by cutting corners now.

NYC is exactly who you should be mass mailing. They are the firms most in need of warm bodies and least concerned with ties. You should also be targeting any secondary market you have a tie to. And contacting UG alumni and law school alumni at firms you think are the best fit. And contacting anyone in the legal field that you have a good relationship.

Kicking over every rock should be your full-time job (with overtime) for the next several weeks or until you have a job.
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Re: Any point mass mailing NYC from t14, below median, no ties

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:20 pm

Anonymous User wrote:OP here:

I should have said no ties/connections/really strong softs - ie no networking connections at these firms, no high-level work experience, and I don't go to an east coast school/am not from the east coast. I just have a hard time believing any of these NYC firms are going to love my form cover letter and below median grades enough to give me any kind of an interview. Am I wrong here? What's the point in mass mailing these firms? What's the endgame? Do I need to do something additional other than mass mail - ie reach out to alums in the firms, follow up later, etc. (or is it too late to do these things).

I feel like my time would be better spent targeting secondary markets, targeting midsize firms in the non-NYC major market I'd most like to work, preping for OCI, etc.

I know of at least 1 NYC firm that basically called back people en masse from mass mailing last year

ETA: what I mean is that they seemed to have low enough standards that it wouldn't shock me if there were below median T14 kids getting called back there.

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Re: Any point mass mailing NYC from t14, below median, no ties

Postby Pikappraider » Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:34 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:OP here:

I should have said no ties/connections/really strong softs - ie no networking connections at these firms, no high-level work experience, and I don't go to an east coast school/am not from the east coast. I just have a hard time believing any of these NYC firms are going to love my form cover letter and below median grades enough to give me any kind of an interview. Am I wrong here? What's the point in mass mailing these firms? What's the endgame? Do I need to do something additional other than mass mail - ie reach out to alums in the firms, follow up later, etc. (or is it too late to do these things).

I feel like my time would be better spent targeting secondary markets, targeting midsize firms in the non-NYC major market I'd most like to work, preping for OCI, etc.

I know of at least 1 NYC firm that basically called back people en masse from mass mailing last year

ETA: what I mean is that they seemed to have low enough standards that it wouldn't shock me if there were below median T14 kids getting called back there.


PM me the firm? I probably already applied but maybe I can send them an "update." Sounds like a firm right in my range

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Re: Any point mass mailing NYC from t14, below median, no ties

Postby Betharl » Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:21 pm

PM me the firm too.

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Re: Any point mass mailing NYC from t14, below median, no ties

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:56 am

Pikappraider wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:OP here:

I should have said no ties/connections/really strong softs - ie no networking connections at these firms, no high-level work experience, and I don't go to an east coast school/am not from the east coast. I just have a hard time believing any of these NYC firms are going to love my form cover letter and below median grades enough to give me any kind of an interview. Am I wrong here? What's the point in mass mailing these firms? What's the endgame? Do I need to do something additional other than mass mail - ie reach out to alums in the firms, follow up later, etc. (or is it too late to do these things).

I feel like my time would be better spent targeting secondary markets, targeting midsize firms in the non-NYC major market I'd most like to work, preping for OCI, etc.

I know of at least 1 NYC firm that basically called back people en masse from mass mailing last year

ETA: what I mean is that they seemed to have low enough standards that it wouldn't shock me if there were below median T14 kids getting called back there.


PM me the firm? I probably already applied but maybe I can send them an "update." Sounds like a firm right in my range

to you and also the next poster - I'm also a rising 2L but I will definitely PM you both once I get an offer from somewhere. Let me just say that it's almost certain that you already mailed them as they are V100

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Re: Any point mass mailing NYC from t14, below median, no ties

Postby UMich11 » Thu Jul 31, 2014 2:59 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Pikappraider wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:OP here:

I should have said no ties/connections/really strong softs - ie no networking connections at these firms, no high-level work experience, and I don't go to an east coast school/am not from the east coast. I just have a hard time believing any of these NYC firms are going to love my form cover letter and below median grades enough to give me any kind of an interview. Am I wrong here? What's the point in mass mailing these firms? What's the endgame? Do I need to do something additional other than mass mail - ie reach out to alums in the firms, follow up later, etc. (or is it too late to do these things).

I feel like my time would be better spent targeting secondary markets, targeting midsize firms in the non-NYC major market I'd most like to work, preping for OCI, etc.

I know of at least 1 NYC firm that basically called back people en masse from mass mailing last year

ETA: what I mean is that they seemed to have low enough standards that it wouldn't shock me if there were below median T14 kids getting called back there.


PM me the firm? I probably already applied but maybe I can send them an "update." Sounds like a firm right in my range

to you and also the next poster - I'm also a rising 2L but I will definitely PM you both once I get an offer from somewhere. Let me just say that it's almost certain that you already mailed them as they are V100


I'm also interested if you could PM me. Likely already mass mailed them as well.



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