Anonymous User wrote:Anonymous User wrote:3. Stating that you are looking at firms ranked much higher than us. This is a two way street, and we want to offer people who are going to accept. We know law students are in general prestige whores who are going to take the best ranked bid, and this is a great way for us to not waste our time by extending you an offer.
4. Stating that you are looking at firms in a different city than mine. This one boggles my mind when you can just simply say this is the only city you are looking at, how am I ever going to find out you are bs'ing me. I work in a regional city where people without strong ties or other interests tend to leave, and not showing total dedication tends to be a fatal error. I'd say you can ignore this advice for LA/SF/NY, do not ignore for Chicago, Miami, or any other regional cities.
Curious about this. I thought the issue secondary markets had with NYC was that they were afraid people would bolt from said secondary markets to NYC at the first chance. I guess I don't see why mentioning bidding NYC or some other larger market is an issue, because I would think for most T14 students if they actually accept an SA in the smaller market where they have ties that is an indication that they voluntarily are taking the prestige hit to work in a market that they prefer for other reasons.
I guess I can see the concern of being used as a safety for a student who strikes out at NYC, but if you're looking at somebody with good grades at a T14 it doesn't seem likely that they would strike out anyway. As long as they have expressed their interest in your market, why don't firms extend an offer anyway and feel confident in the fact that if the student accepts the offer they really do want to be in the secondary despite having also looked at NYC during the interviewing process? Is it really troublesome to have an offer turned down or something?
OP here, not going to respond with personal insults and certainly agree with everyone that every firm has different standards. The smartest thing you can do as a candidate is ask the firm: what makes a successful associate? Then just drop hints the entire interview conforming to that persona as best you can while being authentic.
Regarding cities, why do you have to tell other firms you are looking in other cities? If you really feel uncomfortable bending the truth say, "I'm looking at firms in NYC in case I get no offers in regional market due to smaller SA classes".
My firm has lost a ton of candidates to people leaving for NYC and their hometowns and has become EXTREMELY sensitive due to the loss of junior associates this way. NYC firms hire 100 summers so losing one means nothing. For regional firms of 2-4 SA classes, losing people really hurts and disrupts workflow quite badly. There are so many risks to losing an associate: in house, lateral move, burnout, no need to take on risk of relocation. Relocations especially suck when the firm really likes the person and the person really likes the firm but we have no X city office. A lot of the other reasons usually mean it wasn't working out while this one especially hurts because people are usually thriving when they pull the trigger.
Regarding more elite firms, student predictably always go with what is most prestigious and we have the experience to know that. Unless you have a reason for us to think otherwise, we are going to protect ourselves by offering the next candidate down the line rather than keeping the offer open for 30 days and then having to go back to someone everyone else passed on. It's a two way street and we are realistic, we know you will pick the v10 over us unless you have your reasons.
Somehow my view of this makes me bitter according to some v10 associates. All I can say to that is I have received a few v20 offers in my tenure because they are impressed that I have better work experience than their associates. Lower ranked firms don't have clients that will tolerate the same level of menial doc review. I also have v20 lateral candidates come in all the time, disheveled, broken down, wishing they had picked a place which allows for some sort of a lifestyle. Luckily, I have seen you guys come back to life once you stop taking a hit of the prestige pipe. I'm not angry at v20 firms for rejecting me, I'm mad at them for the generally poor experinces my friends have experienced at these places.