Can someone post the USNews rankings for top law schools in natural gas law? Page 2 please?smaug wrote:but if things continue natural gas employers are going to start hiring form non T14 schools in DROVES assuredlyzweitbester wrote:I seriously think, though, that we can blame climate change for these numbers. Surely the polar vortex and such is having a huge impact on big law hiring. Obama needs to fix global warming so we can improve the legal job market.
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zweitbester wrote:Can someone post the USNews rankings for top law schools in natural gas law? Page 2 please?smaug wrote:but if things continue natural gas employers are going to start hiring form non T14 schools in DROVES assuredlyzweitbester wrote:I seriously think, though, that we can blame climate change for these numbers. Surely the polar vortex and such is having a huge impact on big law hiring. Obama needs to fix global warming so we can improve the legal job market.
Why? Cooley's on page 1.
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really racing to the bottom of the joke pool here
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I do not care.patogordo wrote:really racing to the bottom of the joke pool here
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The reason zweitbester only posted t-14 schools is because the next best placement is probably a school that only put like 25% of their class to NLJ 250 firms.. The gap between t-14 and others is GROWING.
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patogordo wrote:really racing to the bottom of the joke pool here
My work is done. Some law prof will probably leak the remaining numbers on Monday.
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Yah, I think people know that. I also think people want to know how bad it is, and not be paternally "shielded for their own good."zman wrote:The reason zweitbester only posted t-14 schools is because the next best placement is probably a school that only put like 25% of their class to NLJ 250 firms.. The gap between t-14 and others is GROWING.
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Laziness and lack of care are the primary motivators, so let's not lose sight of that.skri65 wrote:Yah, I think people know that. I also think people want to know how bad it is, and not be paternally "shielded for their own good."zman wrote:The reason zweitbester only posted t-14 schools is because the next best placement is probably a school that only put like 25% of their class to NLJ 250 firms.. The gap between t-14 and others is GROWING.
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What is up with Wilmer only hiring 26 first year associates??
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Pokemon wrote:What is up with Wilmer only hiring 26 first year associates??
http://www.chambers-associate.com/Pdfs/ ... s_size.pdf
According to chamber associates they hired 70-80 but are they credibile??
26 seems too low even in these times.
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Georgetown: Go home, you're drunk.
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That's what happens when you have over 600 grads.. Only harvard and maybe 2-3 more can get away with that.wojo98 wrote:Georgetown: Go home, you're drunk.
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does this report specify anything about immigration law firms?
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isn't Fragomen the only big firm that does only immigration? A niche like that will require more research likely.Sgt Brody. wrote:does this report specify anything about immigration law firms?
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Does anyone know the specifics of UVA? Around here there is a lot of differing statistics on what percent of the class got big law. Some say 80% of those who wanted it, some say 30%. Everyone discloses numbers that benefit them differently. 1L's may get a different statistic than will a 2L who struck out, and there's really no way to know the exact data. Anonymous because this would upset many people. I'm sure other schools are the same in terms of the difficulty of garnering objective data.
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Is there any other T14 that graduates more than 600? If not, then there isn't 2-3 more that can.zman wrote:That's what happens when you have over 600 grads.. Only harvard and maybe 2-3 more can get away with that.wojo98 wrote:Georgetown: Go home, you're drunk.
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When Zweitbester had the screenshot posted it had GULC at 37% not 31%. Nothing to write home about, but it is the difference between lagging behind and just a joke
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Sorry for the typos. I had a solid buzz.Anonymous User wrote:When Zweitbester had the screenshot posted it had GULC at 37% not 31%. Nothing to write home about, but it is the difference between lagging behind and just a joke
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LST will eventually publish the numbers for all schools.
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But seeTiago Splitter wrote:This thread has some good data. Shows that only around 25% are gone at the end of year 3 but two-thirds are out by the end of year five.jn7 wrote:It's astounding how large some of these incoming classes are. I wonder what the ratio of outgoing/incoming is at some of these firms.
Regulus on page 9 of the linked thread wrote:Well, despite my post above, both the mean and median annual attrition rates are actually about twenty percent for firms with more than 251 attorneys; it is slightly less for firms with 101-250 attorneys (it actually states this in NALP's report). The ranges are crazy too; some firms only have rates of like 13%, whereas others are as high as 29% in the 501+ category.
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That makes more sense. So more like half gone after three years but still a third left after five. And potentially much worse.
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it is also worth adding that there are some truly shit firms in the nlj 250 including firms some might qualify as shitlaw or thereabouts (see --LinkRemoved--)
that said, putting the cut-off at 100 is worse considering the number of really good firms (e.g. irell, munger, wachtell, boeis, w&c, wiley, andrews kurth etc.) that would leave out. Using vault also has its own set of problems re: under-inclusion.
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that said, putting the cut-off at 100 is worse considering the number of really good firms (e.g. irell, munger, wachtell, boeis, w&c, wiley, andrews kurth etc.) that would leave out. Using vault also has its own set of problems re: under-inclusion.
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Who cares? That would have little effect on the rankings for the top 14 law schools, and a marginal effect on the rest of the 36...it is also worth adding that there are some truly shit firms in the nlj 250 including firms some might qualify as shitlaw or thereabouts (see --LinkRemoved-- ... of_lawyers)
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i don't give a shit about the rankings. i'm talking about the percentages not painting an accurate picture. same reason listing "employment" figures doesn't tell the reader much without a breakdown of the kinds of employment. that's what the 250 yardstick is trying to improve upon albeit with problems of its own (which i'm pointing out).zweitbester wrote:Who cares? That would have little effect on the rankings for the top 14 law schools, and a marginal effect on the rest of the 36...it is also worth adding that there are some truly shit firms in the nlj 250 including firms some might qualify as shitlaw or thereabouts (see --LinkRemoved-- ... of_lawyers)
and actually, it does have an effect on the percentages. i suspect penn used to have ridiculous employment numbers because they were putting graduates into shit firms in the tri-state that qualified as nlj 250. i could be wrong though.
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etc.
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