NLJ 250 numbers out Forum

(On Campus Interviews, Summer Associate positions, Firm Reviews, Tips, ...)
Forum rules
Anonymous Posting

Anonymous posting is only appropriate when you are revealing sensitive employment related information about a firm, job, etc. You may anonymously respond on topic to these threads. Unacceptable uses include: harassing another user, joking around, testing the feature, or other things that are more appropriate in the lounge.

Failure to follow these rules will get you outed, warned, or banned.
User avatar
Old Gregg

Platinum
Posts: 5409
Joined: Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:26 pm

Re: NLJ 250 numbers out

Post by Old Gregg » Sat Feb 22, 2014 2:27 pm

smaug wrote:
zweitbester wrote:I seriously think, though, that we can blame climate change for these numbers. Surely the polar vortex and such is having a huge impact on big law hiring. Obama needs to fix global warming so we can improve the legal job market.
but if things continue natural gas employers are going to start hiring form non T14 schools in DROVES assuredly
Can someone post the USNews rankings for top law schools in natural gas law? Page 2 please?

User avatar
Bikeflip

Gold
Posts: 1861
Joined: Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:01 pm

Re: NLJ 250 numbers out

Post by Bikeflip » Sat Feb 22, 2014 2:29 pm

zweitbester wrote:
smaug wrote:
zweitbester wrote:I seriously think, though, that we can blame climate change for these numbers. Surely the polar vortex and such is having a huge impact on big law hiring. Obama needs to fix global warming so we can improve the legal job market.
but if things continue natural gas employers are going to start hiring form non T14 schools in DROVES assuredly
Can someone post the USNews rankings for top law schools in natural gas law? Page 2 please?

Why? Cooley's on page 1.

User avatar
patogordo

Gold
Posts: 4826
Joined: Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:33 am

Re: NLJ 250 numbers out

Post by patogordo » Sat Feb 22, 2014 2:30 pm

really racing to the bottom of the joke pool here

User avatar
smaug_

Gold
Posts: 2194
Joined: Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:06 pm

Re: NLJ 250 numbers out

Post by smaug_ » Sat Feb 22, 2014 2:35 pm

patogordo wrote:really racing to the bottom of the joke pool here
I do not care.Image

zman

Bronze
Posts: 500
Joined: Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:31 am

Re: NLJ 250 numbers out

Post by zman » Sat Feb 22, 2014 2:35 pm

The reason zweitbester only posted t-14 schools is because the next best placement is probably a school that only put like 25% of their class to NLJ 250 firms.. The gap between t-14 and others is GROWING.

Want to continue reading?

Register now to search topics and post comments!

Absolutely FREE!


User avatar
Bikeflip

Gold
Posts: 1861
Joined: Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:01 pm

Re: NLJ 250 numbers out

Post by Bikeflip » Sat Feb 22, 2014 2:49 pm

patogordo wrote:really racing to the bottom of the joke pool here

My work is done. Some law prof will probably leak the remaining numbers on Monday.

skri65

Bronze
Posts: 484
Joined: Mon Jul 16, 2012 11:07 pm

Re: NLJ 250 numbers out

Post by skri65 » Sat Feb 22, 2014 2:58 pm

zman wrote:The reason zweitbester only posted t-14 schools is because the next best placement is probably a school that only put like 25% of their class to NLJ 250 firms.. The gap between t-14 and others is GROWING.
Yah, I think people know that. I also think people want to know how bad it is, and not be paternally "shielded for their own good."

User avatar
Old Gregg

Platinum
Posts: 5409
Joined: Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:26 pm

Re: NLJ 250 numbers out

Post by Old Gregg » Sat Feb 22, 2014 3:04 pm

skri65 wrote:
zman wrote:The reason zweitbester only posted t-14 schools is because the next best placement is probably a school that only put like 25% of their class to NLJ 250 firms.. The gap between t-14 and others is GROWING.
Yah, I think people know that. I also think people want to know how bad it is, and not be paternally "shielded for their own good."
Laziness and lack of care are the primary motivators, so let's not lose sight of that.

User avatar
Pokemon

Gold
Posts: 3528
Joined: Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:58 pm

Re: NLJ 250 numbers out

Post by Pokemon » Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:06 pm

What is up with Wilmer only hiring 26 first year associates??

Want to continue reading?

Register for access!

Did I mention it was FREE ?


zman

Bronze
Posts: 500
Joined: Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:31 am

Re: NLJ 250 numbers out

Post by zman » Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:09 pm

Pokemon wrote:What is up with Wilmer only hiring 26 first year associates??

http://www.chambers-associate.com/Pdfs/ ... s_size.pdf

According to chamber associates they hired 70-80 but are they credibile??

26 seems too low even in these times.

User avatar
wojo98

Bronze
Posts: 123
Joined: Wed May 22, 2013 1:55 pm

Re: NLJ 250 numbers out

Post by wojo98 » Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:40 pm

Georgetown: Go home, you're drunk.

zman

Bronze
Posts: 500
Joined: Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:31 am

Re: NLJ 250 numbers out

Post by zman » Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:45 pm

wojo98 wrote:Georgetown: Go home, you're drunk.
That's what happens when you have over 600 grads.. Only harvard and maybe 2-3 more can get away with that.

User avatar
Sgt Brody.

Bronze
Posts: 103
Joined: Sun Feb 16, 2014 8:40 pm

Re: NLJ 250 numbers out

Post by Sgt Brody. » Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:50 pm

does this report specify anything about immigration law firms?

Register now!

Resources to assist law school applicants, students & graduates.

It's still FREE!


User avatar
goldeneye

Silver
Posts: 790
Joined: Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:25 pm

Re: NLJ 250 numbers out

Post by goldeneye » Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:52 pm

Sgt Brody. wrote:does this report specify anything about immigration law firms?
isn't Fragomen the only big firm that does only immigration? A niche like that will require more research likely.

Anonymous User
Posts: 428109
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:32 am

Re: NLJ 250 numbers out

Post by Anonymous User » Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:59 pm

Does anyone know the specifics of UVA? Around here there is a lot of differing statistics on what percent of the class got big law. Some say 80% of those who wanted it, some say 30%. Everyone discloses numbers that benefit them differently. 1L's may get a different statistic than will a 2L who struck out, and there's really no way to know the exact data. Anonymous because this would upset many people. I'm sure other schools are the same in terms of the difficulty of garnering objective data.

User avatar
Old Gregg

Platinum
Posts: 5409
Joined: Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:26 pm

Re: NLJ 250 numbers out

Post by Old Gregg » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:05 pm

zman wrote:
wojo98 wrote:Georgetown: Go home, you're drunk.
That's what happens when you have over 600 grads.. Only harvard and maybe 2-3 more can get away with that.
Is there any other T14 that graduates more than 600? If not, then there isn't 2-3 more that can.

Anonymous User
Posts: 428109
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:32 am

Re: NLJ 250 numbers out

Post by Anonymous User » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:08 pm

When Zweitbester had the screenshot posted it had GULC at 37% not 31%. Nothing to write home about, but it is the difference between lagging behind and just a joke

Get unlimited access to all forums and topics

Register now!

I'm pretty sure I told you it's FREE...


User avatar
Old Gregg

Platinum
Posts: 5409
Joined: Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:26 pm

Re: NLJ 250 numbers out

Post by Old Gregg » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:24 pm

Anonymous User wrote:When Zweitbester had the screenshot posted it had GULC at 37% not 31%. Nothing to write home about, but it is the difference between lagging behind and just a joke
Sorry for the typos. I had a solid buzz.

zman

Bronze
Posts: 500
Joined: Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:31 am

Re: NLJ 250 numbers out

Post by zman » Sat Feb 22, 2014 8:20 pm

LST will eventually publish the numbers for all schools.

User avatar
Blessedassurance

Gold
Posts: 2091
Joined: Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:42 pm

Re: NLJ 250 numbers out

Post by Blessedassurance » Sat Feb 22, 2014 9:02 pm

Tiago Splitter wrote:
jn7 wrote:It's astounding how large some of these incoming classes are. I wonder what the ratio of outgoing/incoming is at some of these firms.
This thread has some good data. Shows that only around 25% are gone at the end of year 3 but two-thirds are out by the end of year five.
But see
Regulus on page 9 of the linked thread wrote:Well, despite my post above, both the mean and median annual attrition rates are actually about twenty percent for firms with more than 251 attorneys; it is slightly less for firms with 101-250 attorneys (it actually states this in NALP's report). The ranges are crazy too; some firms only have rates of like 13%, whereas others are as high as 29% in the 501+ category.

User avatar
Tiago Splitter

Diamond
Posts: 17148
Joined: Tue Jun 28, 2011 1:20 am

Re: NLJ 250 numbers out

Post by Tiago Splitter » Sat Feb 22, 2014 9:08 pm

That makes more sense. So more like half gone after three years but still a third left after five. And potentially much worse.

Communicate now with those who not only know what a legal education is, but can offer you worthy advice and commentary as you complete the three most educational, yet challenging years of your law related post graduate life.

Register now, it's still FREE!


User avatar
Blessedassurance

Gold
Posts: 2091
Joined: Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:42 pm

Re: NLJ 250 numbers out

Post by Blessedassurance » Sat Feb 22, 2014 9:14 pm

it is also worth adding that there are some truly shit firms in the nlj 250 including firms some might qualify as shitlaw or thereabouts (see --LinkRemoved--)

that said, putting the cut-off at 100 is worse considering the number of really good firms (e.g. irell, munger, wachtell, boeis, w&c, wiley, andrews kurth etc.) that would leave out. Using vault also has its own set of problems re: under-inclusion.

user outed for posting anon for no good reason

User avatar
Old Gregg

Platinum
Posts: 5409
Joined: Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:26 pm

Re: NLJ 250 numbers out

Post by Old Gregg » Sat Feb 22, 2014 9:27 pm

it is also worth adding that there are some truly shit firms in the nlj 250 including firms some might qualify as shitlaw or thereabouts (see --LinkRemoved-- ... of_lawyers)
Who cares? That would have little effect on the rankings for the top 14 law schools, and a marginal effect on the rest of the 36...

User avatar
Blessedassurance

Gold
Posts: 2091
Joined: Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:42 pm

Re: NLJ 250 numbers out

Post by Blessedassurance » Sat Feb 22, 2014 9:42 pm

zweitbester wrote:
it is also worth adding that there are some truly shit firms in the nlj 250 including firms some might qualify as shitlaw or thereabouts (see --LinkRemoved-- ... of_lawyers)
Who cares? That would have little effect on the rankings for the top 14 law schools, and a marginal effect on the rest of the 36...
i don't give a shit about the rankings. i'm talking about the percentages not painting an accurate picture. same reason listing "employment" figures doesn't tell the reader much without a breakdown of the kinds of employment. that's what the 250 yardstick is trying to improve upon albeit with problems of its own (which i'm pointing out).

and actually, it does have an effect on the percentages. i suspect penn used to have ridiculous employment numbers because they were putting graduates into shit firms in the tri-state that qualified as nlj 250. i could be wrong though.

User avatar
Blessedassurance

Gold
Posts: 2091
Joined: Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:42 pm

Re: NLJ 250 numbers out

Post by Blessedassurance » Sat Feb 22, 2014 9:45 pm

etc.
Last edited by Blessedassurance on Wed Feb 26, 2014 12:18 am, edited 1 time in total.

Seriously? What are you waiting for?

Now there's a charge.
Just kidding ... it's still FREE!


Post Reply Post Anonymous Reply  

Return to “Legal Employment”