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Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Feb 22, 2017 2:53 pm

The less experience you have the more likely you are to be hired.

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Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Feb 22, 2017 5:22 pm

Honestly I thought the interview I had there a few years ago was kind of a farce. I had good, relevant experience and went in ready to sell myself, only to have 90% of both panels I met with sit around in silence. Only 1-2 people or so per panel bothered to ask questions. I did not get an offer (or even a rejection). In retrospect, they probably knew who they wanted to hire - which wasn't me - and just didn't bother making a real effort to interview me. This left a bad taste in my mouth as I had flown into town on my own dime to do the interview only to get a small semblance of an interview.

It was a real waste of my time, and I prefer not to work for those people now. Look up "Review of Conduct by High Ranking Official in the Hiring of a Trademark Organization Employee" to learn about some of the nepotism that has infested the PTO's trademark division in recent years. It is not a pretty picture.

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Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Feb 23, 2017 2:45 pm

Anonymous User wrote:The less experience you have the more likely you are to be hired.


This is almost definitely true. Everyone starts at GS11, even if they have already advanced to a higher grade level in another agency. I interviewed as a GS12, and would have had to go back to 11 had I been offered and accepted the position. They had this information as part of my application package. The work was also far less varied and entailed a lot less responsibility than I already had as a GS12 attorney in another agency, and they kept pressing me to explain how I'd be able to stay motivated in the USPTO environment.

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Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Mar 02, 2017 4:57 am

I can never find openings for a Trademark Examining Attorney online! Is it like a secret society when you need to get a connection to get in?

How did you guys find out openings?

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Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Mar 06, 2017 3:59 pm

You won't see any posting right now or in the near future, as the USPTO is part of the federal hiring freeze. Though perhaps the USPTO can get an exception to the freeze since they are self-funded - so the absurd idea that a freeze is saving taxpayers money is even more absurd when taxpayers aren't even funding the agency.

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Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:00 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:The less experience you have the more likely you are to be hired.


This is almost definitely true. Everyone starts at GS11, even if they have already advanced to a higher grade level in another agency. I interviewed as a GS12, and would have had to go back to 11 had I been offered and accepted the position. They had this information as part of my application package. The work was also far less varied and entailed a lot less responsibility than I already had as a GS12 attorney in another agency, and they kept pressing me to explain how I'd be able to stay motivated in the USPTO environment.


I had the same exact experience! My TM exposure is in the private sector - but was also asked at least 5 times how this transition was going to work out.

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Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:07 pm

Does anyone know if the Trademark Office is going to open up positions for Attorney Advisor? Based on past job announcements, the posting usually goes up around end of June

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Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jun 29, 2017 4:33 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Does anyone know if the Trademark Office is going to open up positions for Attorney Advisor? Based on past job announcements, the posting usually goes up around end of June


The Commissioner of Trademarks reported in early May that trademark examiner hiring for FY2017 was completed before the hiring freeze. I'm not sure what this means going forward, and whether things are going to operate on a more delayed timeline this year.

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Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:28 pm

I applied for the USPTO Trademark Examiner position in September. Did anyone hear back about additional submissions, particularly the written statements?

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Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:26 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I applied for the USPTO Trademark Examiner position in September. Did anyone hear back about additional submissions, particularly the written statements?


I applied and haven't heard anything yet.

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Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO

Postby ribaudmr » Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:06 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:I applied for the USPTO Trademark Examiner position in September. Did anyone hear back about additional submissions, particularly the written statements?


I applied and haven't heard anything yet.


I applied and haven't heard anything either.
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Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:07 pm

ribaudmr wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I applied for the USPTO Trademark Examiner position in September. Did anyone hear back about additional submissions, particularly the written statements?


I applied and haven't heard anything yet.


I applied and haven't heard anything either.

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Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO

Postby FallonJ » Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:11 pm

Someone told me that they received an e-mail with the subject "Referred to Selecting Official - WRITTEN STATEMENT REQUEST."

I haven't received one. Does everyone receive this e-mail at the same time?

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Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO

Postby chungy411 » Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:55 pm

FallonJ wrote:Someone told me that they received an e-mail with the subject "Referred to Selecting Official - WRITTEN STATEMENT REQUEST."

I haven't received one. Does everyone receive this e-mail at the same time?


I'm not sure if all the emails come out the same time but I just checked my email and the writing request came in at 8:38pm. I'm sure yours is on the way!

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Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:11 am

No, the requests for additional information do not all go out at the same time. Try not to lose hope - this can be a long and repetitive process. Not a small number of people apply MANY times before getting an offer - if you have any kind of experience at all, it will be even more difficult for you to get hired. It's better to know all of that up front so that you have reasonable expectations.

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Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:30 pm

That sounded so pessimistic - but I mean it! Keep trying! People love working there.

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Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO

Postby FallonJ » Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:05 pm

chungy411 wrote:
FallonJ wrote:Someone told me that they received an e-mail with the subject "Referred to Selecting Official - WRITTEN STATEMENT REQUEST."

I haven't received one. Does everyone receive this e-mail at the same time?


I'm not sure if all the emails come out the same time but I just checked my email and the writing request came in at 8:38pm. I'm sure yours is on the way!


You're right. I received mine a little after midnight.

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Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:00 pm

Can anyone provide a little more detail about the production requirements? Are they feasible or are you killing yourself to meet them? I’ve searched the whole thread but there doesn’t seem to be much info about the job specifics on here. Also, when do you get to telework? After the first year? Can you telework all 5 workdays?

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Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Oct 28, 2017 11:19 am

Anonymous User wrote:Can anyone provide a little more detail about the production requirements? Are they feasible or are you killing yourself to meet them? I’ve searched the whole thread but there doesn’t seem to be much info about the job specifics on here. Also, when do you get to telework? After the first year? Can you telework all 5 workdays?


The two main areas of your rating are based on the quantity and quality of your work. You will be trained to produce the highest quality work, so I wouldn't worry about that at the beginning. The production requirements are difficult at first; there is a learning curve, but you don't have to kill yourself to meet them. Once you gain your footing, your production will naturally increase, and meeting your production goals becomes easier.

Generally speaking, you can begin teleworking 1 or 2 days a week after your first year. Around the end of your second year, you are eligible to telework full time.

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Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:33 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Can anyone provide a little more detail about the production requirements? Are they feasible or are you killing yourself to meet them? I’ve searched the whole thread but there doesn’t seem to be much info about the job specifics on here. Also, when do you get to telework? After the first year? Can you telework all 5 workdays?


The two main areas of your rating are based on the quantity and quality of your work. You will be trained to produce the highest quality work, so I wouldn't worry about that at the beginning. The production requirements are difficult at first; there is a learning curve, but you don't have to kill yourself to meet them. Once you gain your footing, your production will naturally increase, and meeting your production goals becomes easier.

Generally speaking, you can begin teleworking 1 or 2 days a week after your first year. Around the end of your second year, you are eligible to telework full time.


Thanks for your response!

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Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:27 pm

Has anyone heard word for first round interviews regarding the latest opening?

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Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:24 pm

I haven't heard anything yet.

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Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:50 pm

Just found out I got an interview! This will be my third try lol, hope the third time's the charm! :lol:

I heard that many people get the job after several rounds of interviews and rejections. If you got it on your 2nd or 3rd (4th?) try, what did you do differently when you got an offer? Any advice for repeat interviewers like myself?

I'm seeing a few posts on here saying that more experience means less chance of getting hired - is it because they assume an experienced lawyer wouldn't want to leave a law firm job for a GS-11 position with less responsibility? In my previous interviews, they insinuated that the job is boring and repetitive, and asked how I feel about taking a pay cut. The truth is, I'm at a small firm that doesn't pay particularly well, I don't enjoy practicing law, and I want out of private practice. If I don't get into the USPTO or another government position soon, I will most likely go back to school and/or change careers. Can't exactly say this in an interview, lol. Any thoughts on how to convey that I'd much rather be a trademark examining attorney than work at a law firm without coming off as negative or lazy?

The toughest interview questions I had were about how I will meet production quotas and deal with tough deadlines. I have not worked in an environment with routinely high production volumes and tight deadlines, and I couldn't come up with a more compelling answer than I'll work really hard. Any advice on how to handle that?

Best of luck to everyone else who applied this round!

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Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:07 pm

I love your positive outlook and go-getter spirit!

Yes, I think that is part of the concern, that lawyers with experience are really there to pad their resume. "I'm a big firm trademark attorney who has experience from the inside." But I think it's unfair to apply that concern so heavily to attorneys with experience, when the baby attorneys I have seen hired there (fresh out of law school and/or clerkships) would be just as likely to leave for other jobs.

If you don't have much experience in a fast-paced heavy-deadline arena, talk about the aspects of your current job that do translate to the position. Attention to detail. Client interaction. Research and writing experience. And talk about other jobs that you may have had that were taxing, or even law school.

I think it is ok to mention that you would prefer government work over the private sector and why. There is a lot of honest appeal in what may at times feel monotonous - less stress, more reliable hours, no billing. The same things that make the job more appealing to you likely attracted the people interviewing you to the job as well.

Of course take all of this with a grain of salt - I do not work there. Continuing to apply and come up with my own ways to assure them that my experience makes me valuable, not a risk. I hope an experienced attorney who has survived the gauntlet provides some input at well.

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Re: Attorney Advisor (Trademark Examining Attorney) for USPTO

Postby playpowerball » Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:45 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Just found out I got an interview! This will be my third try lol, hope the third time's the charm! :lol:

I heard that many people get the job after several rounds of interviews and rejections. If you got it on your 2nd or 3rd (4th?) try, what did you do differently when you got an offer? Any advice for repeat interviewers like myself?

I'm seeing a few posts on here saying that more experience means less chance of getting hired - is it because they assume an experienced lawyer wouldn't want to leave a law firm job for a GS-11 position with less responsibility? In my previous interviews, they insinuated that the job is boring and repetitive, and asked how I feel about taking a pay cut. The truth is, I'm at a small firm that doesn't pay particularly well, I don't enjoy practicing law, and I want out of private practice. If I don't get into the USPTO or another government position soon, I will most likely go back to school and/or change careers. Can't exactly say this in an interview, lol. Any thoughts on how to convey that I'd much rather be a trademark examining attorney than work at a law firm without coming off as negative or lazy?

The toughest interview questions I had were about how I will meet production quotas and deal with tough deadlines. I have not worked in an environment with routinely high production volumes and tight deadlines, and I couldn't come up with a more compelling answer than I'll work really hard. Any advice on how to handle that?

Best of luck to everyone else who applied this round!


Hey congratulations on the interview! Did you hear back via phone call or email?




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