Anonymous User wrote:Any NYC experts want to talk about how grade snobby these NYC firms are? Are the V20's mostly looking for 179+?
Also, are the minimum numbers on OCS's OCI CB sheet usually URM CB's? I wish they gave the average instead of just the min/max, because neither of those numbers are particularly useful. :|
Anonymous User wrote:The more I think about it, the more I'm inclined to bid NYC near-exclusively in the fall.
Cutoffs are soft. If you have great grades, then at some firms (*cough* S&C *cough*) then you won't need personality/interviewing skills (you'll need some; I'm exaggerating to illustrate the point).
I know MANY sub-178 people that did fairly well (grades didn't seem to hurt them). There are plenty of these people around, but they're usually attractive, confident (both of these relate to ability to put someone in front of a client), have good personalities, knew specifics about the firm, knew practice areas they were interested in, and were just all-around good at interviewing. There are also some who didn't seem to have these characteristics but still got into V5s, but you can't really base anything off of outliers.
Following the bumped advice a few posts ago will help you get better at talking with attorneys and will help you with learning about firms (both of which will help you at OCI).
Here are my thoughts on firms for reference (not gospel, but just to give you an idea)
Cravath: I'd recommend 178+ before you bid this highly (but you can probably snag this off of add/drop or late on your bidlist). Be able to speak intelligently about what's going on in corporate law. I've heard of some with median getting CSM.
S&C: They hire down to median and have a huge summer class to fill. IF you have good grades personality requirements drop, if you have slightly above median grades, it's important that the interviewer likes you.
Skadden: Median or slightly above median is fine.
DPW: I've heard of median grades, but usually 178.5s and 179s get CBs here. They're more picky.
Weil: Grades don't seem to be important, but they don't call many people back.
Cleary: Grades seem more important here than with other peer firms.
Kirkland: Slightly above median is fine for NY.
As for the rest, Gibson/Boies are really the only grade conscious v20s. Generally, the sliding scale of grades+personality will move downward as you move down vault rankings with NYC firms (there are some exceptions).
Others can feel free to disagree, just trying to give my general impression.
FWIW I know someone with 178 grades that bid exclusively NY v20 and had around an 80% cb rate (non-urm, kjd). NY is a MUCH easier market than Chi.