Anonymous User wrote:Anonymous User wrote:Anonymous User wrote:Hi 1Ls. Stopping in to drop some additional advice.
1L Summer Jobs:
What I'd shoot for (in order):
Law firm: most money. Not too much work required. I've heard good for OCI because it's hard to get and it shows that you are desired. Have heard its bad because you don't bring in any real experience.
Corporate gig: get paid 10-20k and develop relationships with people in a corporation.
Clinic: get the 5k bonus, clinic students get to do awesome things and get tons of usable experience for OCI
PI gig: 5K and it doesn't require too much work. Need to spin it at OCI if you have a PI background
RA job: barely work and you get the line on your resume. Make money per hour, though so you won't make as much as clinics/PI
Judge job: either you're a glorified coffee-getter (and employers know you are working for a judge that doesn't give real work to externs) or you're working a LOT for no pay. Even if you get a super-awesome judge those are the ones least likely to remember you.
Just my two cents. Other 2Ls can share their experience, too.
Not to get super far ahead of myself before we even have one quarter's worth of grades out, but do these ranks change if you're gunning hard for clerkship/bristow/doj honors post-grad? My anecdotal knowledge of people I know who've gotten clerkships, especially feeder clerkships, are that a disproportionately high percentage of them RAed.
Also, would you lump gov gigs like USAO/fed honors in with PI?
Last question and then I'll stop being such an insufferable gunner: what about stuff like UN through the IHR program? Went to the IHR presentation last week and it seemed like they all got at least something at OCI, but no one said which firm they were going to (or what their grades were like, obviously). My instinct was that anything overseas would be a red flag for OCI so I was surprised to hear their claim that it may actually have helped differentiate their applications.
I'd put them above PI. Everything depends on your priorities--I wanted a firm and anything legal works for OCI if you can spin it the right way--so my "rankings" were skewed.
Feeder clerkships come from grades. Basically when you get the grades, you approach Hutch and he will use his connections to get you the interview. Those that were RAs generally become RAs because they find the academic side of the law interesting, and those are the type of people that typically gun for bigtime clerkships. Once you get grades, if you are above a 180.5 (K&E scholar territory) you can email someone that's going to be working for a feeder judge and ask questions. Otherwise, don't waste their time (same goes for Hutch but he'll tell you that himself--he's quite frank).
If anyone else wants to weigh in, that'd be great. I'm not all-knowing when it comes to this stuff.
(People that did the IHR program seemed to do pretty well at OCI. I'd contact them via email and ask questions.)
Quoted anon - thanks! Appreciate the response. I've got to get over my trepidation about cold-emailing 2Ls/3Ls about their job experiences... do you guys often get emails from 1Ls about this stuff (eg, people who found you off the Who Worked Where list)? Is it annoying when you do?