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parkslope
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Re: Summer Classes 2014 Edition

Postby parkslope » Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:11 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:W&C – NYC

Harvard – 2
Chicago – 1
Columbia – 2
NYU – 2
Penn – 1
UVA – 1
Michigan – 1
Duke – 2
Northwestern – 2
Cornell – 5
Georgetown – 2
University of Toronto – 1
GW– 2
Emory – 2
Notre Dame – 2
Boston College – 1
Fordham – 1
Tulane – 1
American – 1
Cardozo – 1

Total = 33

Small class size for such a ranked Biglaw firm (samller than Cadwalader's?). Apparently very democratically spread across wide range of schools. Surprising.


2 from HYS


It's not democratic if the firm doesn't have a choice.

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Re: Summer Classes 2014 Edition

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Feb 26, 2014 11:06 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Danger Zone wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:When they have an 8 week program, pay under market, cancel planned outings because the budget ran out, and send out an email at 10:00 one morning (with 2 weeks left) saying they will no longer cover lunches (effective that day), then yeah it raises some questions, especially when they start refusing to cover callback expenses. V50-100 firm, BTW.

Whoaaaa....what firm is that? In NYC?

Sounds like a firm you could really ENJOY.

Not DLA, but NYC. DLA is back up to 160, but the firm in question is not.

Anonymous User wrote:Sounds like what I read on Kasowitz, which effectively withdraw an offer from my friend last OCI by "suggesting" he'd accept elsewhere.
I don't believe Kasowitz has been below market.

zweitbester wrote:Obviously, yes in this situation that makes sense. But clearly the firms these guys are deciding between weren't having these issues, so your post is largely irrelevant.

But that aside, you really should (have) report(ed) this to abovethelaw. I don't get why you didn't.

I don't know why you're assuming I didn't report it.

And the suggestion was made that picking between firms based on their entertainment budgets was stupid, not that picking between V10s based on their budgets was stupid. The fact is that these budgets do send signals to students, as they are intended to. If students are stupid to make decisions based on these signals, then firms are just as stupid to spend money on sending these signals.


can confirm Kasowitz does not pay below market, and has a 10 week summer program

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Re: Summer Classes 2014 Edition

Postby AntipodeanPhil » Wed Feb 26, 2014 11:49 pm

2014 wrote:Somebody posted this on another thread and it is clearly Cravath though they called it "A NYC V10" instead:

95 total

3 Yale
0 Stanford
*18 Harvard
----21 out of 95
*17 Columbia
8 NYU
8 Chicago
----54 out of 95
1 Penn
5 Michigan
2 Virginia
----62 out of 95
1 Berkeley
1 Duke
2 Northwestern
1 Cornell
7 Gtown
----74 out of 95
4 Texas

Idk what the other schools are obviously.

Are we sure this is Cravath? If it is, those are disastrously bad numbers for Y + S.

Also, can someone explain to me why firms like W&C are still downsizing through their summer associate classes. W&C has 700 lawyers in NYC - they're not going to replace their losses with an incoming class of 33. Shouldn't they have downsized enough by now - the recession has been over for a while.

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Re: Summer Classes 2014 Edition

Postby Old Gregg » Thu Feb 27, 2014 12:17 am

AntipodeanPhil wrote:
2014 wrote:Somebody posted this on another thread and it is clearly Cravath though they called it "A NYC V10" instead:

95 total

3 Yale
0 Stanford
*18 Harvard
----21 out of 95
*17 Columbia
8 NYU
8 Chicago
----54 out of 95
1 Penn
5 Michigan
2 Virginia
----62 out of 95
1 Berkeley
1 Duke
2 Northwestern
1 Cornell
7 Gtown
----74 out of 95
4 Texas

Idk what the other schools are obviously.

Are we sure this is Cravath? If it is, those are disastrously bad numbers for Y + S.

Also, can someone explain to me why firms like W&C are still downsizing through their summer associate classes. W&C has 700 lawyers in NYC - they're not going to replace their losses with an incoming class of 33. Shouldn't they have downsized enough by now - the recession has been over for a while.


They're not downsizing their summer classes. They just don't have enough work to keep anything higher busy. Such is the new normal for non-V15 firms basically.

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Re: Summer Classes 2014 Edition

Postby AntipodeanPhil » Thu Feb 27, 2014 12:26 am

zweitbester wrote:
AntipodeanPhil wrote:Also, can someone explain to me why firms like W&C are still downsizing through their summer associate classes. W&C has 700 lawyers in NYC - they're not going to replace their losses with an incoming class of 33. Shouldn't they have downsized enough by now - the recession has been over for a while.

They're not downsizing their summer classes. They just don't have enough work to keep anything higher busy. Such is the new normal for non-V15 firms basically.

I get that they're not downsizing their summer classes anymore, since they probably hired a similar number last year, but they must be downsizing their firm. I can't believe that in an office with 700 lawyers, only 33 left last year. So, every year the firm does this, it's getting smaller (unless they hire a lot of laterals, which they don't seem to). If all the non-V15 are doing this, as you suggest, they're all getting smaller. But I thought demand for the services of biglaw firms had stayed fairly steady over the last two or three years.

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Re: Summer Classes 2014 Edition

Postby 2014 » Thu Feb 27, 2014 12:57 am

AntipodeanPhil wrote:Are we sure this is Cravath? If it is, those are disastrously bad numbers for Y + S.

I'm certain of it. I don't have the list, so I can't vouch for the exact numbers, but I'm sure that if it is accurate/roughly accurate it can only be Cravath.

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Re: Summer Classes 2014 Edition

Postby goldeneye » Thu Feb 27, 2014 2:46 am

AntipodeanPhil wrote:
zweitbester wrote:
AntipodeanPhil wrote:Also, can someone explain to me why firms like W&C are still downsizing through their summer associate classes. W&C has 700 lawyers in NYC - they're not going to replace their losses with an incoming class of 33. Shouldn't they have downsized enough by now - the recession has been over for a while.

They're not downsizing their summer classes. They just don't have enough work to keep anything higher busy. Such is the new normal for non-V15 firms basically.

I get that they're not downsizing their summer classes anymore, since they probably hired a similar number last year, but they must be downsizing their firm. I can't believe that in an office with 700 lawyers, only 33 left last year. So, every year the firm does this, it's getting smaller (unless they hire a lot of laterals, which they don't seem to). If all the non-V15 are doing this, as you suggest, they're all getting smaller. But I thought demand for the services of biglaw firms had stayed fairly steady over the last two or three years.


That was just their ny office it looked like, but the most recent NALP report seemed to show hiring was fairly flat.

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Re: Summer Classes 2014 Edition

Postby fishfry111 » Thu Feb 27, 2014 10:59 am

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Re: Summer Classes 2014 Edition

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Feb 27, 2014 12:51 pm

Cleary NY

Yale - 5
Harvard - 17
Stanford - 4
Columbia - 15
Chicago - 1
NYU - 12
Penn - 4
Virginia - 1
Michigan - 2
Berkeley - 2
Duke - 4
NU - 3
Cornell - 3
GULC - 1
Fordham - 1
WUSTL - 1
Cardozo - 1
Brooklyn - 1
NYLS - 1

Total = 79

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Re: Summer Classes 2014 Edition

Postby fishfry111 » Thu Feb 27, 2014 2:55 pm

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Re: Summer Classes 2014 Edition

Postby Danger Zone » Thu Feb 27, 2014 3:23 pm

fishfry111 wrote:Out of 33, only 8 are from the T-7.

Stop.

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Re: Summer Classes 2014 Edition

Postby jbagelboy » Thu Feb 27, 2014 4:08 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Cleary NY

Yale - 5
Harvard - 17
Stanford - 4
Columbia - 15
Chicago - 1
NYU - 12
Penn - 4
Virginia - 1
Michigan - 2
Berkeley - 2
Duke - 4
NU - 3
Cornell - 3
GULC - 1
Fordham - 1
WUSTL - 1
Cardozo - 1
Brooklyn - 1
NYLS - 1

Total = 79



Go NYLS !!!!!


Lol really though, that guy is a baller. Or very well connected.

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Re: Summer Classes 2014 Edition

Postby lgleye » Thu Feb 27, 2014 11:26 pm

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Re: Summer Classes 2014 Edition

Postby Old Gregg » Thu Feb 27, 2014 11:42 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Cleary NY

Yale - 5
Harvard - 17
Stanford - 4
Columbia - 15
Chicago - 1
NYU - 12
Penn - 4
Virginia - 1
Michigan - 2
Berkeley - 2
Duke - 4
NU - 3
Cornell - 3
GULC - 1
Fordham - 1
WUSTL - 1
Cardozo - 1
Brooklyn - 1
NYLS - 1

Total = 79



Go NYLS !!!!!


Lol really though, that guy is a baller. Or very well connected.


Hopefully he or she got a full scholarship. Always great working in biglaw with little to no loans.

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Re: Summer Classes 2014 Edition

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Feb 27, 2014 11:55 pm

goldeneye wrote:
AntipodeanPhil wrote:
zweitbester wrote:
AntipodeanPhil wrote:Also, can someone explain to me why firms like W&C are still downsizing through their summer associate classes. W&C has 700 lawyers in NYC - they're not going to replace their losses with an incoming class of 33. Shouldn't they have downsized enough by now - the recession has been over for a while.

They're not downsizing their summer classes. They just don't have enough work to keep anything higher busy. Such is the new normal for non-V15 firms basically.

I get that they're not downsizing their summer classes anymore, since they probably hired a similar number last year, but they must be downsizing their firm. I can't believe that in an office with 700 lawyers, only 33 left last year. So, every year the firm does this, it's getting smaller (unless they hire a lot of laterals, which they don't seem to). If all the non-V15 are doing this, as you suggest, they're all getting smaller. But I thought demand for the services of biglaw firms had stayed fairly steady over the last two or three years.


That was just their ny office it looked like, but the most recent NALP report seemed to show hiring was fairly flat.


They don't have a NYC office - is that a typo? This is definitely the list for their DC office.

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Re: Summer Classes 2014 Edition

Postby bowser » Fri Feb 28, 2014 12:02 am

W&C is White and Case, no?

Also, Cleary with a really small class this year compared to the past three.

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Re: Summer Classes 2014 Edition

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Feb 28, 2014 12:10 am

bowser wrote:W&C is White and Case, no?

Also, Cleary with a really small class this year compared to the past three.


whoops, I thought this was Williams & Connolly because of the number of students from my school.

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Re: Summer Classes 2014 Edition

Postby Old Gregg » Fri Feb 28, 2014 12:22 am

Anonymous User wrote:
bowser wrote:W&C is White and Case, no?

Also, Cleary with a really small class this year compared to the past three.


whoops, I thought this was Williams & Connolly because of the number of students from my school.


You're an idiot.

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Re: Summer Classes 2014 Edition

Postby welkertexasranger » Fri Feb 28, 2014 12:21 pm

zweitbester wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
bowser wrote:W&C is White and Case, no?

Also, Cleary with a really small class this year compared to the past three.


whoops, I thought this was Williams & Connolly because of the number of students from my school.


You're an idiot.


Zweitbester with the extremely useful and interesting response as always.

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Re: Summer Classes 2014 Edition

Postby 911 crisis actor » Sat Mar 01, 2014 1:35 am

bowser wrote:W&C is White and Case, no?

Also, Cleary with a really small class this year compared to the past three.


STB took a smaller class last summer but still ended up completely killing it over the year - don't read too much into hiring when it's done for two years out

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Re: Summer Classes 2014 Edition

Postby Old Gregg » Sat Mar 01, 2014 3:09 am

911 crisis actor wrote:
bowser wrote:W&C is White and Case, no?

Also, Cleary with a really small class this year compared to the past three.


STB took a smaller class last summer but still ended up completely killing it over the year - don't read too much into hiring when it's done for two years out


...I don't think he was.

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Re: Summer Classes 2014 Edition

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Mar 01, 2014 6:27 pm

Never mind

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Re: Summer Classes 2014 Edition

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Mar 03, 2014 5:41 pm

Debevoise:

Harvard 13
Columbia 9
NYU 9
Yale 8
Stanford 5
Penn 5
GULC 4
Chicago 3
Duke 3
Brooklyn 3
Michigan 2
UVA 2
Berkeley 2
Cornell 2
Northwestern 1
Cardozo 1
BU 1
Howard 1
Rutgers 1
Seton Hall 1
St. John’s 1
UCLA 1
NYLS 1

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Re: Summer Classes 2014 Edition

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:29 pm

Jones Day Chicago, including 1Ls:

1 Yale
5 Harvard
2 Chicago
3 Michigan
1 Virginia
2 Northwestern
4 Notre Dame
2 Boston College
3 Illinois

Total: 23

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Re: Summer Classes 2014 Edition

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Mar 04, 2014 11:41 am

Skadden Chicago


Yale 2
Harvard 2
Stanford 1
Chicago 4
Penn 2
Michigan 4
Northwestern 5
Georgetown 2
Boston U 1
Loyola Chicago 2
U. of Maryland 1

Total 26




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