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Re: Kasowitz is calling people with offers right now and...

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Sep 20, 2013 3:34 pm

Anonymous User wrote:http://abovethelaw.com/2013/09/a-fall-recruiting-debacle-one-firm-decides-to-go-explode-some-offers/


The footnote in this article packs a punch. Dare I say, the most famous footnote in Kasowitz recruiting history?

Ok back to con law.

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Re: Kasowitz is calling people with offers right now and...

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Sep 20, 2013 3:40 pm

When Kasowitz rejected my snail-mail application back in August, I felt kind of bad for that entire day, like I had the cred's but not the X factor.

I'll take my V30 offer and drink tonight to what was a blessing in disguise--being rejected by this "elite" litigation boutique and subsequently avoiding the dilemma of either choosing them (exposing myself to the risk of a no-offer) or having my offer revoked after wasting time and money on a CB.

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Postby IAFG » Fri Sep 20, 2013 3:41 pm

Anonymous User wrote:http://abovethelaw.com/2013/09/a-fall-recruiting-debacle-one-firm-decides-to-go-explode-some-offers/

Well... yeah that account is pretty unprofessional.

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Postby hephaestus » Fri Sep 20, 2013 3:42 pm

Anonymous User wrote:When Kasowitz rejected my snail-mail application back in August, I felt kind of bad for that entire day, like I had the cred's but not the X factor.

I'll take my V30 offer and drink tonight to what was a blessing in disguise--being rejected by this "elite" litigation boutique and subsequently avoiding the dilemma of either choosing them (exposing myself to the risk of a no-offer) or having my offer revoked after wasting time and money on a CB.

This non-humble brag really adds a lot to the thread.

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Re: Kasowitz is calling people with offers right now and...

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Sep 20, 2013 3:42 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Got a reply from ATL, they want anyone who was personally called to get in touch with them.


I was personally involved and I will email them.


Are you the person who sent the email to ATL? If so, you should know that you're awesome.

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Re: Kasowitz is calling people with offers right now and...

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:03 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Got a reply from ATL, they want anyone who was personally called to get in touch with them.


I was personally involved and I will email them.


Are you the person who sent the email to ATL? If so, you should know that you're awesome.

whoa, i did not even see the second page of the article until this post... well done my friend.

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Re: Kasowitz is calling people with offers right now and...

Postby thesealocust » Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:08 pm

Whoever sent that email to Above the Law... it's a pretty epic email, but I might try to do some damage control. It will be abundantly clear to the firm who it was, and they'll have no reason not to go scorched earth on you at this point.

A major law firm is a bad enemy to have in any context, but as a law student... toothpaste, tubes, etc. but you might ask ATL to take the full email down?

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Re: Kasowitz is calling people with offers right now and...

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:13 pm

thesealocust wrote:Whoever sent that email to Above the Law... it's a pretty epic email, but I might try to do some damage control. It will be abundantly clear to the firm who it was, and they'll have no reason not to go scorched earth on you at this point.

A major law firm is a bad enemy to have in any context, but as a law student... toothpaste, tubes, etc. but you might ask ATL to take the full email down?


I'm pretty sure I know who the person is. If I'm right, s/he already has lots of offers. What can the brilliant legal minds even do at this point?

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Postby Anonymous User » Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:13 pm

thesealocust wrote:Whoever sent that email to Above the Law... it's a pretty epic email, but I might try to do some damage control. It will be abundantly clear to the firm who it was, and they'll have no reason not to go scorched earth on you at this point.

A major law firm is a bad enemy to have in any context, but as a law student... toothpaste, tubes, etc. but you might ask ATL to take the full email down?


What is Kasowitz going to tell other firms about this person? Barring something heinous not being disclosed, Kasowitz just comes off looking like a dick. They can scorch the earth all they want, I don't think other firms will feel too much heat.

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Re: Kasowitz is calling people with offers right now and...

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:14 pm

Further evidence that the 2L OCI hiring model is unsustainable? It seems that in a moneyball era, law firms are still using astrology to make some of their most important decisions.

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Postby shumpshump » Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:16 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Further evidence that the 2L OCI hiring model is unsustainable? It seems that in a moneyball era, law firms are still using astrology to make some of their most important decisions.


Yes, because one firm miscalculated its yield rate or the yield rate was abnormally too high this year, the 2L OCI hiring model is unsustainable. Very good point.

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Re: Kasowitz is calling people with offers right now and...

Postby thesealocust » Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:17 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I'm pretty sure I know who the person is. If I'm right, s/he already has lots of offers. What can the brilliant legal minds even do at this point?


Anonymous User wrote:What is Kasowitz going to tell other firms about this person?


Exactly. Hiring and recruiting departments at big firms, especially in major markets, can be pretty buddy-buddy with each other. As dickish as Kasowitz as a firm may come across, firms are all about discretion (and all about not winding up on ATL), and people talk...

I'm not saying it wasn't delicious justice porn, I'm just saying it might not be a career enhancing move.

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Re: Kasowitz is calling people with offers right now and...

Postby IAFG » Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:19 pm

No one wants to be the guy who talks to ATL.

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Postby Anonymous User » Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:24 pm

Is it possible that Kasowitz got a lot of unanticipated acceptances because hiring's been so bad this year that people who'd normally choose more elite firms have been left with Kasowitz as their best or only option? No disrespect intended.

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Re: Kasowitz is calling people with offers right now and...

Postby mephistopheles » Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:26 pm

has hiring been that bad this year?

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Postby Tiago Splitter » Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:35 pm

Anyone know how many offers a firm like this would normally give in hopes of landing 25 summers?

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Postby dixiecupdrinking » Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:37 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Is it possible that Kasowitz got a lot of unanticipated acceptances because hiring's been so bad this year that people who'd normally choose more elite firms have been left with Kasowitz as their best or only option? No disrespect intended.

This was my guess. It's possible their yield rate is just astronomically higher than in the past. If so, I feel sort of sorry for them, though making offers they weren't capable of honoring means it's still their fault.

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Re: Kasowitz is calling people with offers right now and...

Postby p1arnold » Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:39 pm

thesealocust wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I'm pretty sure I know who the person is. If I'm right, s/he already has lots of offers. What can the brilliant legal minds even do at this point?


Anonymous User wrote:What is Kasowitz going to tell other firms about this person?


Exactly. Hiring and recruiting departments at big firms, especially in major markets, can be pretty buddy-buddy with each other. As dickish as Kasowitz as a firm may come across, firms are all about discretion (and all about not winding up on ATL), and people talk...

I'm not saying it wasn't delicious justice porn, I'm just saying it might not be a career enhancing move.


It's true that a lot of them know each other, but what is the Kasowitz recruiting dept. going to do? Send out a mass email to all of the recruiting dept.'s naming the person in question and asking whether she/he will be going to one of their firms?

Although it would be interesting to read the follow up on ATL about how Kasowitz hunted down and destroyed the career of a law student after they told a blog about recruiting practices that violate NALP... that would be quite the press.

Either way, no one really likes Kasowitz anyway. They're too douchy in litigation. I can't see a firm no offering a summer because she/he put published what Kasowitz did. Kasowitz showed no loyalty to him/her so why show any loyalty back?

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Re: Kasowitz is calling people with offers right now and...

Postby thesealocust » Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:44 pm

p1arnold wrote:It's true that a lot of them know each other, but what is the Kasowitz recruiting dept. going to do? Send out a mass email to all of the recruiting dept.'s naming the person in question and asking whether she/he will be going to one of their firms?

Although it would be interesting to read the follow up on ATL about how Kasowitz hunted down and destroyed the career of a law student after they told a blog about recruiting practices that violate NALP... that would be quite the press.


Here's the nightmare scenario:

Jack is a recruiter at Name & Ampersand LLP. One of his best friends in the industry is a recruiter at Kasowitz.

While downing mimosas at Sunday brunch, they talk about the latest ATL drama. Kasowitz recruiter mentions that they think the firm is handling it poorly, but it's hard to manage yield and what can you do.

Laughter. Mimosas.

Jack asks if they know who it was. Kasowitz recruiter doesn't immediately volunteer the information, but mimosas. Kasowitz recruiter mentions that it's Doe from Prestigious Law School.

No shit - says Jack. We actually just finished a 2nd look for Doe. I spent like an hour last week trying to find somebody who could talk to him about Boring Practice Area that Doe cares about.

You don't say, says Kasowitz recruiter. Doe seemed cool, but blabbing to ATL definitely makes me my life harder.

Haha, I bet, says Jack.

~time passes~

Jack now happens to know that Doe wrote an email to Above the Law dishing dirt and naming names on Kasowitz. Jack also has a direct say in Doe's professional future.

Does Jack do anything further? Does Jack side with Kasowitz or with Doe? Does Jack pass it along the grape vine? Even inadvertently? Keep it in mind come summer review time?

If you're Doe, you'd rather not be in a position to find out.

/overactive imagination

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Re: Kasowitz is calling people with offers right now and...

Postby IAFG » Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:46 pm

Or people who know tell other people at the law school and you are just "guy who reports to ATL" among all your peers.

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Postby Anonymous User » Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:51 pm

thesealocust wrote:Whoever sent that email to Above the Law... it's a pretty epic email, but I might try to do some damage control. It will be abundantly clear to the firm who it was, and they'll have no reason not to go scorched earth on you at this point.

A major law firm is a bad enemy to have in any context, but as a law student... toothpaste, tubes, etc. but you might ask ATL to take the full email down?


I think it would be in Kasowitz's best interest to just lay low about this.

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Re: Kasowitz is calling people with offers right now and...

Postby what to do » Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:56 pm

IAFG wrote:Or people who know tell other people at the law school and you are just "guy who reports to ATL" among all your peers.


I feel like you're scared a lot.

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Postby NJPitcher » Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:58 pm

IAFG wrote:Or people who know tell other people at the law school and you are just "guy who reports to ATL" among all your peers.


And you get pats on the shoulder from all of them? What exactly is the stigma attached to telling ATL the super shady doings of a firm?

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Re: Kasowitz is calling people with offers right now and...

Postby IAFG » Fri Sep 20, 2013 4:59 pm

what to do wrote:
IAFG wrote:Or people who know tell other people at the law school and you are just "guy who reports to ATL" among all your peers.


I feel like you're scared a lot.

Having good judgment and knowing when to STFU are pretty crucial traits in a lawyer. No one wants to hire or work with a leaker.




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