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by KidStuddi » Fri Sep 13, 2013 12:49 am
Well first of all, my position here seems to have been slightly misunderstood. I started my critique by saying "you've gone too far with this," and I stand by that. As OneMoreLawHopeful pointed out, Icculus initially said that the majority of finding a job was luck or factors outside of the applicants control, and I was responding to say that position was way too fatalistic. I did, however, state that I agreed that luck plays a role at the margins, but that that A) not everyone is at the margins and B) even those at the margins have only gotten there as the product of working towards relevant achievements that made them serious candidates for consideration.
Second, I'd like to endorse basically everything OneMoreLawHopeful has argued. It all seems directly on point from where I'm sitting.
I feel like a lot of the negative responses to my position are the product of the participation trophy generation. I feel like we now grow up playing sports without keeping score and somehow actually start to believe that winning is always arbitrary. Many of you seem to be arguing that if effort doesn't correlate 100% with outcomes the result can only be luck, as if the actual work product is irrelevant. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but it is simply not the case that anyone who puts in nominal effort, or even very real, maximal effort, and produces poor product is equal to those who succeed.
When I read these arguments, it sounds like most of you guys think that any Division III player who works his ass off and goes to practice every day, attends every team's camp and tries really hard to prepare for every NBA tryout should, objectively speaking, be as desirable as LeBron James. And that if every team wants LeBron, and no team wants the Div III guy, that's just luck because the Div III guy worked every bit as hard as LeBron James. It's like you don't care who's actually better at playing basketball so long as they go through the motions. The Div III guy has been judged by the experts to be an inferior NBA prospect. Sure, these experts are not infallible, and sometimes they get it wrong, but by and large, they get it right. Why the hell are you guys to try and denigrate LeBron's success as "luck"? Call it what it is: an enviable outcome that resulted from a lifetime of working towards a goal of playing professional basketball.
I use LeBron as an analog here because I think his skill and success and effort are all undeniable, but I think we should give the same respect to the guy struggling to stay on the bench as the 12th man. Making it to the league over the last guy out may be partially attributable to chance, but he sure as shit didn't get to the final cut by accident.
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KidStuddi on Fri Sep 13, 2013 12:55 am, edited 1 time in total.