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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 23, 2015 4:35 pm

I am mass-mailing exclusively to NY (for now) and just finished mailing all V100s. Where should I look next for a list of big firms in New York?

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Kratos » Thu Jul 23, 2015 4:51 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I am mass-mailing exclusively to NY (for now) and just finished mailing all V100s. Where should I look next for a list of big firms in New York?

nalp, martindale, resume launchpad if it still exists.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby pancakes3 » Thu Jul 23, 2015 4:57 pm

Kratos wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I am mass-mailing exclusively to NY (for now) and just finished mailing all V100s. Where should I look next for a list of big firms in New York?

nalp, martindale, resume launchpad if it still exists.


it exists but some of the firms on it don't

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 23, 2015 4:59 pm

Just landed a screening interview at the firm (V30) through MM. The email specifically said it will be an initial interview similar to those on campus.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Kratos » Thu Jul 23, 2015 5:11 pm

pancakes3 wrote:
Kratos wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I am mass-mailing exclusively to NY (for now) and just finished mailing all V100s. Where should I look next for a list of big firms in New York?

nalp, martindale, resume launchpad if it still exists.


it exists but some of the firms on it don't

I definitely wouldn't use the mail merge function but it's a good search tool generally

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:30 pm

I don't think resume launchpad exists anymore (so now is when I freak out about mass mail) ... just tried to find it and couldn't find it. Or am I missing something? Can anyone post the link if they can find it?

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 24, 2015 11:53 am

Too late to start mass mailing? Or just the right time?

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Manteca » Fri Jul 24, 2015 11:55 am

hoos89 wrote:Reformatting is not really an update. Unless there's something actually different about your resume I'd probably not do that.


Do you think being added to a bar association committee would be worth following up with?

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby sandwhich » Fri Jul 24, 2015 12:56 pm

What's a firm going to think when I MM them but they are coming to our OCI? "What, we're not even in your top 50 choices?" How do people handle this?

I'm sure this has been discussed before, I just didn't see it.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 24, 2015 1:04 pm

sandwhich wrote:What's a firm going to think when I MM them but they are coming to our OCI? "What, we're not even in your top 50 choices?" How do people handle this?

I'm sure this has been discussed before, I just didn't see it.


Tell them you bid but didn't get them.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby sandwhich » Fri Jul 24, 2015 1:18 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
sandwhich wrote:What's a firm going to think when I MM them but they are coming to our OCI? "What, we're not even in your top 50 choices?" How do people handle this?

I'm sure this has been discussed before, I just didn't see it.


Tell them you bid but didn't get them.


You don't say? Ugh.

I personally was hoping to avoid starting off a professional relationship with a lie, but I understand some people don't mind[anon].

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 24, 2015 1:24 pm

sandwhich wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
sandwhich wrote:What's a firm going to think when I MM them but they are coming to our OCI? "What, we're not even in your top 50 choices?" How do people handle this?

I'm sure this has been discussed before, I just didn't see it.


Tell them you bid but didn't get them.


You don't say? Ugh.

I personally was hoping to avoid starting off a professional relationship with a lie, but I understand some people don't mind[anon].


Sorry, I should have explained more. I was only referring to the firms that you didn't get through bidding. If you are talking about the firms you didn't even bid, just don't mention anything. At least that's what I did.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby sandwhich » Fri Jul 24, 2015 1:28 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
sandwhich wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
sandwhich wrote:What's a firm going to think when I MM them but they are coming to our OCI? "What, we're not even in your top 50 choices?" How do people handle this?

I'm sure this has been discussed before, I just didn't see it.


Tell them you bid but didn't get them.


You don't say? Ugh.

I personally was hoping to avoid starting off a professional relationship with a lie, but I understand some people don't mind[anon].


Sorry, I should have explained more. I was only referring to the firms that you didn't get through bidding. If you are talking about the firms you didn't even bid, just don't mention anything. At least that's what I did.


Thanks. Well that's what I figured I'd do because it seems like it's the only option. Did you get responses from those firms? If so, did they ask any uncomfortable questions like whether you bid them?

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 24, 2015 1:37 pm

sandwhich wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
sandwhich wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
sandwhich wrote:What's a firm going to think when I MM them but they are coming to our OCI? "What, we're not even in your top 50 choices?" How do people handle this?

I'm sure this has been discussed before, I just didn't see it.


Tell them you bid but didn't get them.


You don't say? Ugh.

I personally was hoping to avoid starting off a professional relationship with a lie, but I understand some people don't mind[anon].


Sorry, I should have explained more. I was only referring to the firms that you didn't get through bidding. If you are talking about the firms you didn't even bid, just don't mention anything. At least that's what I did.


Thanks. Well that's what I figured I'd do because it seems like it's the only option. Did you get responses from those firms? If so, did they ask any uncomfortable questions like whether you bid them?


FWIW, I was only contacted by the firms (V20, V50) that I bid but didn't get a screening interview through lottery. Dead silence from other 20 firms I didn't bid. But from what I am seeing, it didn't seem like the firms care so much whether I bid or not. But I might be wrong.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Kratos » Fri Jul 24, 2015 6:02 pm

Manteca wrote:
hoos89 wrote:Reformatting is not really an update. Unless there's something actually different about your resume I'd probably not do that.


Do you think being added to a bar association committee would be worth following up with?

you can follow up just to reiterate interest, but having something to add is a bonus. so yes.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby hoos89 » Fri Jul 24, 2015 7:25 pm

To clarify: I've never said don't follow up for the sake of following up. My point was that you probably shouldn't just pretend you're updating something if you're just reformatting it or something.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 24, 2015 10:27 pm

What's the consensus on:

1. Single PDF vs. multiples
2. Using the resume header on your cover letter

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby BigZuck » Fri Jul 24, 2015 11:04 pm

Anonymous User wrote:What's the consensus on:

1. Single PDF vs. multiples
2. Using the resume header on your cover letter


1. 3 separate PDFs- resume, cover letter, transcript. Cover letter does NOT go in the body of the email. People will try to argue with me here but just keep in mind that they are wrong and I am right. Also, you have now started a fight ITT so thank you for that.

2. I'm not sure what you're asking here, can you clarify? If you're asking should both docs have the same header then the answer is no, I think. Cover letter should look like a letter and be header-less, resume has a resume header.

If this flat circle of a thread has taught me anything it is that there is no consensus when it comes to mass mailing. Just what has always been, and what will always be. On and on, for infinity.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby hoos89 » Fri Jul 24, 2015 11:08 pm

Right on cue:

It doesn't matter. Zuck: other people had success mass mailing doing things you didn't. None of us really know for sure what works, what doesn't, and what is totally meaningless.

My advice: do what you're most comfortable with / what's easiest for you.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 24, 2015 11:11 pm

I think the concencus I've seen on TLS is not to include a transcript if you've got low grades (3.1 at CCN). But has anyone actually got a mass mail response WITHOUT a transcript? I feel like I might be better off just including it since they will eventually see grades anyway.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby foundingfather » Fri Jul 24, 2015 11:13 pm

8.5x11 glamour head shots attached to resume: yes? no?

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby BigZuck » Fri Jul 24, 2015 11:56 pm

hoos89 wrote:Right on cue:

It doesn't matter. Zuck: other people had success mass mailing doing things you didn't. None of us really know for sure what works, what doesn't, and what is totally meaningless.

My advice: do what you're most comfortable with / what's easiest for you.

Yeah, I did seperate PDFs and that worked for me and to me it logically makes more sense but, ultimately, everyone has to do themselves.

I do think cover letter not in the body is the way to go though, format wise it doesn't look as good in an email IMO and it's nice for them to have neat little attachments to put in a file.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Jul 25, 2015 12:12 am

will it be weird to send out emails at midnight?

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby BigZuck » Sat Jul 25, 2015 12:21 am

Anonymous User wrote:will it be weird to send out emails at midnight?

I wouldn't do it

The downside is probably on the low end but I'm not seeing any upside at all

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby BigZuck » Sat Jul 25, 2015 12:38 am

Cross posting from another thread. Much like people try to avoid the mass mail abyss by not sending things to recruiting, people try to avoid the mass mail thread abyss by starting new threads to ask the same questions that have been answered tons of times before.

BigZuck wrote:Send it to recruiting, 100% of the time. Always to recruiting. Always.

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The exception is if you have a personal connection to an attorney. Ideally like a friend, family member, family friend, etc. Then maybe you want to send it to them and they can send along to recruiting. Maybe if you meet an attorney at a mixer or something you can email to them but that might be stretching it a bit. But an application packet sent as a cold email to an attorney? Never. Ever.

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A big part of recruiting's job is to sort through these emails. People think if they send stuff to them it just falls into a black hole and so they try to outsmart the system. But trying to circumvent recruiting sends things into way blacker holes most of the time IMO.




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