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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 22, 2015 1:09 pm

Received my first mass mail response today, it was a rejection. At least they answered? :P :P :P :P :P :P

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 22, 2015 1:25 pm

Hit about 6 rejections today, mostly from firms whose medians I am at or above. I think a big problem I'm hitting is my school doesn't rank or have very much grade inflation, so I imagine I look lower than I should...any ideas on how to get around this problem?

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Kratos » Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:02 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Hit about 6 rejections today, mostly from firms whose medians I am at or above. I think a big problem I'm hitting is my school doesn't rank or have very much grade inflation, so I imagine I look lower than I should...any ideas on how to get around this problem?

no, and 6 isn't a lot of rejections. don't get discouraged yet.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Traynor Brah » Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:52 pm

was kind of skeptical of MMing but sent out a blast last week and holy shit. SRTL; SMM, people.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:38 pm

Starting MMing mid last week (NYC exclusively). Radio silence at this point except for two "Please apply through OCI" responses.

For people who are getting CBs, what's your secret? :P

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby acijku2 » Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:43 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Starting MMing mid last week (NYC exclusively). Radio silence at this point except for two "Please apply through OCI" responses.

For people who are getting CBs, what's your secret? :P


I'm in the same boat, except instead of "apply through OCI" it was "apply through firm website." Has anyone gotten responses (CB or decline) from NYC firms?

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:49 pm

Yeah; have two NYC CBs via MM

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby acijku2 » Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:52 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Yeah; have two NYC CBs via MM


If you don't mind sharing, when did you send the initial email?

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:43 pm

acijku2 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Yeah; have two NYC CBs via MM


If you don't mind sharing, when did you send the initial email?


Yea and did you do something different or really tailor those reach outs? I've been customizing my mass mails only in terms of changing the cover letter for the names of the firm, recruiter, address, and practice area of interest. Sometimes I'll change another few words for what the firm is known for.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:49 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
acijku2 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Yeah; have two NYC CBs via MM


If you don't mind sharing, when did you send the initial email?


Yea and did you do something different or really tailor those reach outs? I've been customizing my mass mails only in terms of changing the cover letter for the names of the firm, recruiter, address, and practice area of interest. Sometimes I'll change another few words for what the firm is known for.


Not op but fwiw I'm doing the same thing. My tailoring is incredibly minor - practice areas and a sentence about what I like about them at most. I'm wondering if I should be more thoroughly tailoring them - I haven't gotten any bites despite good grades at a T6. Might be being a bit impatient though. Hopefully we see more movement starting next week or Aug 1.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:23 pm

Person w/ two mm cbs.

No tailoring/generic cl. Didn't do anything weird. Not incredible grades or anything.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:50 pm

Are there any markets that we should be hitting outside of NY? Is it general consensus that lower vault = easier employment? I am at a west school T30 and top 20%. I have ties to CA so I have sit both SV/SF and some LA. Starting to hit NY. At this point I would really work anywhere that I could get a big law job.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby ManoftheHour » Wed Jul 22, 2015 8:48 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Are there any markets that we should be hitting outside of NY? Is it general consensus that lower vault = easier employment? I am at a west school T30 and top 20%. I have ties to CA so I have sit both SV/SF and some LA. Starting to hit NY. At this point I would really work anywhere that I could get a big law job.

lol...we're like the same person. Very interested in the answer to this.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Traynor Brah » Wed Jul 22, 2015 8:58 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Are there any markets that we should be hitting outside of NY? Is it general consensus that lower vault = easier employment? I am at a west school T30 and top 20%. I have ties to CA so I have sit both SV/SF and some LA. Starting to hit NY. At this point I would really work anywhere that I could get a big law job.

Also a 2L but my impression is DC firms don't care about ties almost to the same extent as those in NYC, so if you're just going to hit whatever market for the purpose of preventing a strikeout, I'd probably start there. I'd also hit up Houston; will probably be less selective with respect to your grades, but will be more suspicious of your ties.

I probably wouldn't waste my time with Chicago, Dallas, Boston, et al, unless you have a lot of free time right now.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby hoos89 » Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:31 pm

Traynor Brah wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Are there any markets that we should be hitting outside of NY? Is it general consensus that lower vault = easier employment? I am at a west school T30 and top 20%. I have ties to CA so I have sit both SV/SF and some LA. Starting to hit NY. At this point I would really work anywhere that I could get a big law job.

Also a 2L but my impression is DC firms don't care about ties almost to the same extent as those in NYC, so if you're just going to hit whatever market for the purpose of preventing a strikeout, I'd probably start there. I'd also hit up Houston; will probably be less selective with respect to your grades, but will be more suspicious of your ties.

I probably wouldn't waste my time with Chicago, Dallas, Boston, et al, unless you have a lot of free time right now.


I strongly disagree with this advice. Mass-mailing doesn't take that much time, and OCI hasn't even started yet. I doubt many people have legitimately more valuable things to do with their time than mass-mail major (or large secondary) markets.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:35 am

On a scale of 1 to why are you even asking, how deadly is it to accidentally mass mail a firm with the correctly addressed recipient, salutation, CL, resume, transcript etc but in the mini CL (body of email) have a dif firms name? :oops:

PSA: do not MM post a few glasses of wine

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby hoos89 » Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:18 am

Sorry, but that's more or less auto ding material. Your only hope is that nobody at the firm actually notices.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:55 am

"Thanks for your recent inquiry regarding our 2016 Summer Associate Program with[Biglaw Firm]. We received your resume and transcript, and will be in touch soon."


Is this a ding?

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Kratos » Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:00 am

Anonymous User wrote:"Thanks for your recent inquiry regarding our 2016 Summer Associate Program with[Biglaw Firm]. We received your resume and transcript, and will be in touch soon."


Is this a ding?

no

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:17 am

I posted this in a separate thread but it went unanswered. My school's OCI has something called "collection employees" who collect resumes, transcripts etc. on simplicity but are not actually coming to my school to interview. A lot of very good firms are in this group. While I submitted through simplicity for these firms, should I also be submitting applications directly via mass mail? or is it overkill?

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Foghornleghorn » Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:55 am

I would do both. Ancedotally, a lot of the kids I've talked to got very quick CBs. The caveat is they were all top 1/3. :roll:

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 23, 2015 12:00 pm

They got quick CB from submitting to collection employers on simplicity? or from mass mailing?

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:40 pm

Is it a bad idea to apply to every office for a large firm? Just pick one office you have the best ties to or their HQ office?

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby hoos89 » Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:29 pm

This has been addressed several times already.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby BigZuck » Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:33 pm

This thread, much like time itself, is a flat circle.




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