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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby hoos89 » Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:39 pm

Anonymous User wrote:If I mailed firms last weekend, when should I typically expect to hear back from them? Is it too early?
I just want to get an idea of what I should expect so I'm not checking my email every 5 minutes like a crazy person.


Response times vary from almost immediately to never.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 17, 2015 4:05 pm

Got my OCI preliminary schedule today. Should I mass mail all of the firms I missed and tell them how bad I wanted to interview with them? Why doesn't everyone just do that then?

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Kratos » Fri Jul 17, 2015 6:33 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Got my OCI preliminary schedule today. Should I mass mail all of the firms I missed and tell them how bad I wanted to interview with them? Why doesn't everyone just do that then?

yeah, can't hurt

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:29 pm

How should I word a follow up email with an updated resume that includes law review? Had to submit a resume before notifications were sent out.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Kratos » Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:39 pm

Anonymous User wrote:How should I word a follow up email with an updated resume that includes law review? Had to submit a resume before notifications were sent out.

That you recently applied and wanted to follow up and you are still interested in the firm and wanted to provide an updated resume.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby justkeepswimming794 » Sun Jul 19, 2015 3:27 am

Kratos wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:How should I word a follow up email with an updated resume that includes law review? Had to submit a resume before notifications were sent out.

That you recently applied and wanted to follow up and you are still interested in the firm and wanted to provide an updated resume.


This is tangential to your question, but fwiw, I found it incredibly helpful for these kinds of scenarios:
http://www.law.harvard.edu/current/care ... mails.html

also:
http://law.harvard.edu/current/careers/ ... index.html

good luck

ETA: kratos is tcr

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jul 19, 2015 12:25 pm

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jul 19, 2015 12:33 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Should I include my resume and transcript? And do I need a cover letter?

My grades are well below median at CCN so I'm thinking I don't include the transcript?

Was going to write something like

My name is blah and I am a rising 2L at CCN. I am very interested in your firm and your blah blah practice. Unfortunately I did not get an interview from the OCI lottery system even though X firm is one of my top choices. If you have additional slots during, or outside of OCI, I would love to speak to one of your attorneys. I have attached my resume and a cover letter. Please contact me if you have any additional questions.

Best,
X

I'm also interested in knowing this! (different anon, likely same school)

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby barkschool » Sun Jul 19, 2015 3:21 pm

hoos89 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:If I mailed firms last weekend, when should I typically expect to hear back from them? Is it too early?
I just want to get an idea of what I should expect so I'm not checking my email every 5 minutes like a crazy person.


Response times vary from almost immediately to never.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby justkeepswimming794 » Sun Jul 19, 2015 5:31 pm

Currently mass mailing, and the recruiter contact on NALP no longer works for the firm. (Emailed, received auto-response.) The other two contact emails posted are hiring attorneys. Two of them. Is TCR to just pick one, or should I send a mass mail to both ?

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby lososos » Sun Jul 19, 2015 7:04 pm

justkeepswimming794 wrote:Currently mass mailing, and the recruiter contact on NALP no longer works for the firm. (Emailed, received auto-response.) The other two contact emails posted are hiring attorneys. Two of them. Is TCR to just pick one, or should I send a mass mail to both ?


Does the firm's website not list an updated contact?

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Yea All Right » Sun Jul 19, 2015 10:06 pm

When you're sending out mass mails, should you send a cold email to the firm's recruiter or an equally cold email to a partner who went to the same school as you?

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby BigZuck » Sun Jul 19, 2015 11:00 pm

Yea All Right wrote:When you're sending out mass mails, should you send a cold email to the firm's recruiter or an equally cold email to a partner who went to the same school as you?

Recruiter

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby justkeepswimming794 » Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:02 pm

lososos wrote:
justkeepswimming794 wrote:Currently mass mailing, and the recruiter contact on NALP no longer works for the firm. (Emailed, received auto-response.) The other two contact emails posted are hiring attorneys. Two of them. Is TCR to just pick one, or should I send a mass mail to both ?


Does the firm's website not list an updated contact?


No, they don't :/

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 20, 2015 4:52 pm

Just got a response from a V30 saying to "please bid on [them]", and if I can't get an interview that way, to visit their hospitality suite during OCI to meet attorneys/drop off application materials. Response came in less than a week; now fruitlessly debating in my head whether the response was positive or wholly neutral. I can't wait for this fucking process to be over.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 20, 2015 5:57 pm

I was introduced to a recruiter at a firm through mutual connections/networking back in December. We had lunch, and it went really well. She invited me to attend an invite only cocktail reception for rising 2Ls. I was one of the only people there outside the t14 but it went really well. Met associates and partners and got a lot of "hope to see you in the fall!"
Anyway, I followed up with the initial contact/recruiter and she wants to get lunch tomorrow. However, I bid on this firm for OCI and didn't get a screener (I'm at a pre-select school).
Whats TCR for how to handle this? Should I mention it at lunch tomorrow somehow? Any advice would be much appreciated.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Kratos » Mon Jul 20, 2015 6:20 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Just got a response from a V30 saying to "please bid on [them]", and if I can't get an interview that way, to visit their hospitality suite during OCI to meet attorneys/drop off application materials. Response came in less than a week; now fruitlessly debating in my head whether the response was positive or wholly neutral. I can't wait for this fucking process to be over.

it's positive because they didn't ding you

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 20, 2015 6:29 pm

We have not yet begun the interview process for next year’s program. We will contact you again if there is an interest in scheduling an interview with you.

In the meantime, please accept our best wishes in the interview process.


Is this a ding, or just telling me to sit tight?

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby monsterman » Mon Jul 20, 2015 6:34 pm

I think just to sit tight. I've gotten a couple of similar responses, with one of them saying to 'keep in touch' in the meantime. whatever the fuck that means

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Kratos » Mon Jul 20, 2015 7:31 pm

monsterman wrote:I think just to sit tight. I've gotten a couple of similar responses, with one of them saying to 'keep in touch' in the meantime. whatever the fuck that means

means to follow up later in the hiring season

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby crumb cake » Tue Jul 21, 2015 12:15 am

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby twixt » Tue Jul 21, 2015 12:59 am

crumb cake wrote:To clarify: we email the recruiting contact, but address the hiring attorney in the cover letter?


I've been addressing it to the recruiting contact. They're the one who reads it first and decides whether to even pass your info on. They may even be unilaterally making the decision to interview you. I don't get why everyone always advises people to try to bypass the recruiters. Firms literally employ these people for the sole purpose of finding lawyers to hire. The hiring attorney may have the final say after all is said and done, but the recruiter is your way in the door.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 21, 2015 11:57 am

Anonymous User wrote:I was introduced to a recruiter at a firm through mutual connections/networking back in December. We had lunch, and it went really well. She invited me to attend an invite only cocktail reception for rising 2Ls. I was one of the only people there outside the t14 but it went really well. Met associates and partners and got a lot of "hope to see you in the fall!"
Anyway, I followed up with the initial contact/recruiter and she wants to get lunch tomorrow. However, I bid on this firm for OCI and didn't get a screener (I'm at a pre-select school).
Whats TCR for how to handle this? Should I mention it at lunch tomorrow somehow? Any advice would be much appreciated.



hate to bump this but lunch is in a few hours and I don't know what to do. Should I mention OCI and not having a screener, maybe try to ask for a pre-OCI interview while Im still in town? Should I not bring it up?

Really don't know what to do on this one.

:oops:

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby acijku2 » Tue Jul 21, 2015 12:03 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I was introduced to a recruiter at a firm through mutual connections/networking back in December. We had lunch, and it went really well. She invited me to attend an invite only cocktail reception for rising 2Ls. I was one of the only people there outside the t14 but it went really well. Met associates and partners and got a lot of "hope to see you in the fall!"
Anyway, I followed up with the initial contact/recruiter and she wants to get lunch tomorrow. However, I bid on this firm for OCI and didn't get a screener (I'm at a pre-select school).
Whats TCR for how to handle this? Should I mention it at lunch tomorrow somehow? Any advice would be much appreciated.



hate to bump this but lunch is in a few hours and I don't know what to do. Should I mention OCI and not having a screener, maybe try to ask for a pre-OCI interview while Im still in town? Should I not bring it up?

Really don't know what to do on this one.

:oops:


I honestly would be surprised if she didn't ask you considering she knows what school you go to and that the firm goes to that school's OCI. I would bring it up regardless saying that you didn't get selected but are very interested. Can only help because your other option is to submit into the black hole that is mass mailing where you have such a low chance.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 21, 2015 12:37 pm

I mass mailed and I got an invitation to interview late Friday, replied with my available times on Saturday. It's been radio silent since. I have to leave the area in 5 days, so if it's not scheduled soon, I won't be able to interview.

How much longer should I wait and what's TCR for following up?




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