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Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:37 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:I had a successful phone interview. I wore a suit to feel more professional. Make sure you're in a quiet environment with quality service signal. Additionally, I found standing up really helped and make sure you smile because it comes across. But definitely do your best to avoid talking over them, i.e. have an extra second delay after their question to make sure they're done.

This.

My phone interview was pretty much a screener. Got a CB out of it.

The one big difference is you can have notes handy, which may or may not help


What was your timeline from phone interview to CB?

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Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:45 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I had a successful phone interview. I wore a suit to feel more professional. Make sure you're in a quiet environment with quality service signal. Additionally, I found standing up really helped and make sure you smile because it comes across. But definitely do your best to avoid talking over them, i.e. have an extra second delay after their question to make sure they're done.

This.

My phone interview was pretty much a screener. Got a CB out of it.

The one big difference is you can have notes handy, which may or may not help


What was your timeline from phone interview to CB?

Phone interview in mid-July. CB in late August. As of today's follow-up they're still "trying to figure out if there's a fit"

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Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:21 am

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Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I had a successful phone interview. I wore a suit to feel more professional. Make sure you're in a quiet environment with quality service signal. Additionally, I found standing up really helped and make sure you smile because it comes across. But definitely do your best to avoid talking over them, i.e. have an extra second delay after their question to make sure they're done.

This.

My phone interview was pretty much a screener. Got a CB out of it.

The one big difference is you can have notes handy, which may or may not help


What was your timeline from phone interview to CB?

Phone interview in mid-July. CB in late August. As of today's follow-up they're still "trying to figure out if there's a fit"

That is a crap timeline. Good luck.

With a phone interview, am I expected to drive the conversation?

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Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Oct 03, 2013 8:21 am

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Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:This.

My phone interview was pretty much a screener. Got a CB out of it.

The one big difference is you can have notes handy, which may or may not help


What was your timeline from phone interview to CB?

Phone interview in mid-July. CB in late August. As of today's follow-up they're still "trying to figure out if there's a fit"

That is a crap timeline. Good luck.

With a phone interview, am I expected to drive the conversation?

They're my second choice firm - and the rest of my top 5 already dinged me.

In my case, I didn't need to drive the conversation forward, but, be prepared to do so anyway. Awkward silences are worse on the phone than in person

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Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:27 am

i highly recommend being besties w/ a few people in your CSO this time of year. if you are on their radar screen, they will look out for you.

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Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Oct 04, 2013 10:45 am

Anonymous User wrote:i highly recommend being besties w/ a few people in your CSO this time of year. if you are on their radar screen, they will look out for you.

Unless your CSO is as useless as mine

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Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:40 am

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Anonymous User wrote:i highly recommend being besties w/ a few people in your CSO this time of year. if you are on their radar screen, they will look out for you.

Unless your CSO is as useless as mine


This. No help whatsoever, and some actively bad advice.

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Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:42 am

Anonymous User wrote:Just pulled a V50 interview in NYC after following up this morning. I really needed that today.


Rejection 2 days after the interview. Skype interview - I knew it wasn't going to go well when I answered the call and could only see the bottom half of his head.

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Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:53 am

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Anonymous User wrote:Just pulled a V50 interview in NYC after following up this morning. I really needed that today.


Rejection 2 days after the interview. Skype interview - I knew it wasn't going to go well when I answered the call and could only see the bottom half of his head.


Yep, had a skype interview last week, connection went bad throughout. They said it was fine. I knew it was not. I was dinged three days later. FML

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Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Oct 04, 2013 12:24 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:i highly recommend being besties w/ a few people in your CSO this time of year. if you are on their radar screen, they will look out for you.

Unless your CSO is as useless as mine


This. No help whatsoever, and some actively bad advice.

I agree that they don't "help" as much as I'd like but our job is to be proactive. For example, I applied to a 2L SA on Symplicity not too long ago and asked my CSO if she was familiar with the firm. she said yes and I asked her to reach out to the firm's recruiter on my behalf ... she sent an email stating that I was well-rounded blah blah blah that day. Will it help? Who knows.... But I at least know that probably nobody had the CSO email the firm recruiter for them...CSO is just one more job searching tool at your disposal. Also, sometimes firms email CSO and want a handful of resumes and if you make the connection with CSO's then you may have your résumé passed along because they will know who you are.

Note: I am still searching with everyone here too... Just saying we have to be resourceful about our job search... Most of my stuff does not involve CSO but every now and then I use them to help me.

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Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Oct 04, 2013 12:57 pm

I don't even know where to apply anymore. I have applied to over 300 firms. I have netted a total of three interviews. Dinged from two and awaiting to hear back from one.

Wtf else should I do

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Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby 3|ink » Fri Oct 04, 2013 1:20 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I don't even know where to apply anymore. I have applied to over 300 firms. I have netted a total of three interviews. Dinged from two and awaiting to hear back from one.

Wtf else should I do

At least you landed interviews. I have nothing but rejections and cricketts after ~250 tailored applications.

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Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:38 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:i highly recommend being besties w/ a few people in your CSO this time of year. if you are on their radar screen, they will look out for you.

Unless your CSO is as useless as mine


This. No help whatsoever, and some actively bad advice.

I agree that they don't "help" as much as I'd like but our job is to be proactive. For example, I applied to a 2L SA on Symplicity not too long ago and asked my CSO if she was familiar with the firm. she said yes and I asked her to reach out to the firm's recruiter on my behalf ... she sent an email stating that I was well-rounded blah blah blah that day. Will it help? Who knows.... But I at least know that probably nobody had the CSO email the firm recruiter for them...CSO is just one more job searching tool at your disposal. Also, sometimes firms email CSO and want a handful of resumes and if you make the connection with CSO's then you may have your résumé passed along because they will know who you are.

Note: I am still searching with everyone here too... Just saying we have to be resourceful about our job search... Most of my stuff does not involve CSO but every now and then I use them to help me.


I agree with this. Our career services is helpful in some areas, less so in others - but it absolutely cannot hurt to be friendly with them. I keep checking in so I'm on their minds if any firms reach out.

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Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby oblig.lawl.ref » Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:46 pm

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I agree with this. Our career services is helpful in some areas, less so in others - but it absolutely cannot hurt to be friendly with them. I keep checking in so I'm on their minds if any firms reach out.


Some CSO are useless. I asked mine what they could do to help and if they ever got contacted by firms looking for resumes and if so if they would consider forwarding mine. They referred me to Symplicity. Not all CSO are useful and some give actively bad advice (mine).

Also I just don't get some of the anonymity that goes on here...

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Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby oblig.lawl.ref » Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:47 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I don't even know where to apply anymore. I have applied to over 300 firms. I have netted a total of three interviews. Dinged from two and awaiting to hear back from one.

Wtf else should I do


Follow up! Tell the biggest, most targeted market(s) that you will be in town and if they offer you a cb pay for it. That helped me get a lot of interviews.

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Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:54 pm

What if you go to school in a big market that you are applying too? Don't they already know you are always a round

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Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby guano » Fri Oct 04, 2013 4:05 pm

Anonymous User wrote:What if you go to school in a big market that you are applying too? Don't they already know you are always a round

The fact that you have to ask this question might be indicative of why you're not having any success

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Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Oct 04, 2013 4:26 pm

anybody have a template for what a follow-up/in the area email should look like?

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Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Oct 04, 2013 4:32 pm

oblig.lawl.ref wrote:
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I agree with this. Our career services is helpful in some areas, less so in others - but it absolutely cannot hurt to be friendly with them. I keep checking in so I'm on their minds if any firms reach out.


Some CSO are useless. I asked mine what they could do to help and if they ever got contacted by firms looking for resumes and if so if they would consider forwarding mine. They referred me to Symplicity. Not all CSO are useful and some give actively bad advice (mine).

Also I just don't get some of the anonymity that goes on here...


I understand that. I just don't think it hurts to be friendly with them (and if you know they give bad advice, just double check what they say elsewhere), and some are helpful. There are some things you can only get through them (such as employers asking for resumes but not posting on symplicity or certain connections).

I am anonymous because it would be pretty easy to piece together who I am from my posts. While going through the job search, I'd really rather avoid it. I was actually able to figure out from just anonymous posts in one thread that the poster of a number of them was someone I know at school. I would rather not have that happen, particularly when you can link my posts together through my username, and particularly since that would "out" my position and methods in some cases. Maybe some people care less about this, but I'd really like to avoid it.

Anonymous User wrote:anybody have a template for what a follow-up/in the area email should look like?


I have no idea how good or bad mine is, but I've just been sending an email on the same email chain (with original attachments). I think it's more important just to get in front of them again than to say anything meaningful, because I have nothing to update. The email essentially says that I know they are busy but want to restate my interest and check in on my application. It's all of two sentences long.

I've received some bites back from it, so I think it at least isn't hurting me! I've also been waiting longer than 1-2 weeks to follow up. I think the quickest I've followed up was 2.5 weeks.

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Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Oct 05, 2013 10:44 am

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oblig.lawl.ref wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
I agree with this. Our career services is helpful in some areas, less so in others - but it absolutely cannot hurt to be friendly with them. I keep checking in so I'm on their minds if any firms reach out.


Some CSO are useless. I asked mine what they could do to help and if they ever got contacted by firms looking for resumes and if so if they would consider forwarding mine. They referred me to Symplicity. Not all CSO are useful and some give actively bad advice (mine).

Also I just don't get some of the anonymity that goes on here...


I understand that. I just don't think it hurts to be friendly with them (and if you know they give bad advice, just double check what they say elsewhere), and some are helpful. There are some things you can only get through them (such as employers asking for resumes but not posting on symplicity or certain connections).


I only got two callbacks out of OCI, a V100 and a V60. After the V60 rejected me post callback I went to career services and they managed to get me a V30 callback in New York. Just be specific about what you want. One person in the office was useless and told me to start looking for jobs in places I had never been and would never want to work, but I just told someone else "I want to be in New York" and she said 'ok lets see what we can do'. Still no offers yet but career services is definitely helping. Try and utilize them.

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Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby oblig.lawl.ref » Sat Oct 05, 2013 11:10 am

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I only got two callbacks out of OCI, a V100 and a V60. After the V60 rejected me post callback I went to career services and they managed to get me a V30 callback in New York. Just be specific about what you want. One person in the office was useless and told me to start looking for jobs in places I had never been and would never want to work, but I just told someone else "I want to be in New York" and she said 'ok lets see what we can do'. Still no offers yet but career services is definitely helping. Try and utilize them.


I get what you're all saying but what you have to realize is that every OCS is different some are way worse than what you may imagine. For example, like I said, I specifically asked two different advisors if they could help me find interviews. They both said that anything they hear they put on Symplicity. So as in, they do not get anyone extra interviews.

Some other people I know have similar no-help ocs's.

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Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Oct 05, 2013 7:27 pm

oblig.lawl.ref wrote:
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I only got two callbacks out of OCI, a V100 and a V60. After the V60 rejected me post callback I went to career services and they managed to get me a V30 callback in New York. Just be specific about what you want. One person in the office was useless and told me to start looking for jobs in places I had never been and would never want to work, but I just told someone else "I want to be in New York" and she said 'ok lets see what we can do'. Still no offers yet but career services is definitely helping. Try and utilize them.


I get what you're all saying but what you have to realize is that every OCS is different some are way worse than what you may imagine. For example, like I said, I specifically asked two different advisors if they could help me find interviews. They both said that anything they hear they put on Symplicity. So as in, they do not get anyone extra interviews.

Some other people I know have similar no-help ocs's.

At my OCS, the three times I came in, regardless of the question, they'd ask for my résumé (even when completely irrelevant to my question), then would make the same pointless comment, and basically only talk about that until my time was up, without actually addressing the question.


Before anyone says otherwise, yes, the comment is completely irrelevant for me. They wanted me to add the months for each work experience (I'm a non-trad with over a decade of employment history)

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Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Oct 07, 2013 5:30 pm

Just got a callback from a mass-mail! Only my 3rd so far out of 42 firm interviews (still haven't heard from 7).

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Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby spleenworship » Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:05 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Just got a callback from a mass-mail! Only my 3rd so far out of 42 firm interviews (still haven't heard from 7).

Grats!!

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Re: Reminder: Stop reading tea leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby paintbynumbers » Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:07 pm

what market?




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