This. Chances are if it's going to a generic email like attorneyrecruiting@firm.com then you're throwing a quarter into a void. The entire problem could be avoided if it would just allow you to edit the address field.purpleparrot wrote:It is outdated. I just check the firm info before I send. If the firm name is different, or there's a new contact person, I just take the email RL generated, copy-paste into my own email account, and send to the right person from there instead. It's really helpful for finding the firms and creating the emails, but it needs double checking.gnuwheels wrote:Are these all just the same person hocking resume launchpad? It is so outdated. It has Dewey & LeBouef as a firm option. 2 out of 5 e-mails come back with "this e-mail is inactive" or "this person no longer works here," and thats only the ones that have responses set up for that. I'd wager over half those e-mails go NOWHERE. Also, firms are hip to this mass mailing these days and so another 2 out of 5 e-mails sent gets a response saying "if you want to apply, do it via our online portal," so they are able to weed out anyone too lazy.Anonymous User wrote:4 phone screeners and 1 callback so fara male human wrote:Have people had success with resume launcher?
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Accurate, but what else are you doing with your time again?hoos89 wrote:The more time you spend doing that kind of stuff the more pointless the site becomes. The benefit of resumelaunchpad was never accuracy. 2 of 5 is a bit high of an estimate for e-mails returned saying that person doesn't work there (you will get a lot of these but proportional to the number you send out it is pretty small, probably closer to 10%). Again, this as a pure scatter shot approach. Nobody is saying that it's better than actually creating your own e-mails PER E-MAIL but it allows you to send out way more.
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If you're putting school/ journal ahead of job search, you are most assuredly doing it wrong.
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Here's the thing: each individual email has a low rate of success. The process in general has a decent one. The more carefully you craft your campaign, the more successful it will be.hoos89 wrote:I'm not; my point was just that it's nice to outsource some part of my job search because I have a lot on my plate at the moment. I'm not just going to skip all of my class and do no reading to send out e-mails with a very low success rate. If I strike out, that would leave me in an even worse position.IAFG wrote:If you're putting school/ journal ahead of job search, you are most assuredly doing it wrong.
There's a balance between volume of emails, which needs to be high, and tailored cover letters, which are important too. I haven't seen RL, but if you're not spending 5-10 minutes on your CL, you're not maximizing your campaign success potential.
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I sincerely hope you get a job offer you're excited to have, and soon. IMO those would have been 100 hours well-spent.
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Why not? That's what I've been doing. Class is optional, readings are optional, getting a job is necessary.hoos89 wrote:I'm not just going to skip all of my class and do no reading to send out e-mails with a very low success rate.
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This. I've gone to, like, two days of class.Danger Zone wrote:Why not? That's what I've been doing. Class is optional, readings are optional, getting a job is necessary.hoos89 wrote:I'm not just going to skip all of my class and do no reading to send out e-mails with a very low success rate.
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Has anyone had success mailing a region that doesn't really recruit from your school? I go to one of Florida/Georgia/Bama and I've blanketed those states and a lot of TX (with weak ties), but I don't really know how useful a mass mail outside of the Southeast is going to be. I feel like its pointless but idk what else to do.
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I have. I'm at an east coast school and have had quite a bit of success mailing my hometown on the west coast, with about half my mailings receiving at least a screener and in a couple cases I went straight to callbacks. If you've got ties to an area outside the Southeast, play those up in your cover letters AND the body of your e-mail; I think highlighting it helped me get my foot in the door. If you don't have ties but have a reason to want to be in a particular place (e.g. want California because you're into IP, etc.) say that too.Anonymous User wrote:Has anyone had success mailing a region that doesn't really recruit from your school? I go to one of Florida/Georgia/Bama and I've blanketed those states and a lot of TX (with weak ties), but I don't really know how useful a mass mail outside of the Southeast is going to be. I feel like its pointless but idk what else to do.
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Only traction I have had from mass mailing so far is a partner at a law firm calling me to tell me I am his number one choice if someone drops out, or if they need to hire another person.
He basically said I applied too late.
Oh well, at least I have some sort of response other than dings.
He basically said I applied too late.
Oh well, at least I have some sort of response other than dings.
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Something to circle back to as a 3L.Anonymous User wrote:Only traction I have had from mass mailing so far is a partner at a law firm calling me to tell me I am his number one choice if someone drops out, or if they need to hire another person.
He basically said I applied too late.
Oh well, at least I have some sort of response other than dings.
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Just received an invitation for an interview with a firm of about 200 associates in a market I have zero ties. Although it is just a screener interview, it is NOT too late. Keep it up. This just added fuel to my fire to keep Mass Mailing, I hope it does for everyone else as well.
Also, anybody have any suggestions for this? I have absolutely zero idea about how to play up I am willing to work there. I am honestly thinking of simply saying, "I am single, mobile, and willing to work at a firm that is going to give me the best experience possible."
EDIT: To add for further support, this is the anon from before IAFG, it is not to late. Keep mass mailing brothers and sisters.
Also, anybody have any suggestions for this? I have absolutely zero idea about how to play up I am willing to work there. I am honestly thinking of simply saying, "I am single, mobile, and willing to work at a firm that is going to give me the best experience possible."
EDIT: To add for further support, this is the anon from before IAFG, it is not to late. Keep mass mailing brothers and sisters.
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The problem, I think, isn't so much being willing to work there as it is being willing to stay there. If you're single and mobile, what's to keep you from seeking other job opportunities in a target market or lateraling after a couple years?Anonymous User wrote:Just received an invitation for an interview with a firm of about 200 associates in a market I have zero ties. Although it is just a screener interview, it is NOT too late. Keep it up. This just added fuel to my fire to keep Mass Mailing, I hope it does for everyone else as well.
Also, anybody have any suggestions for this? I have absolutely zero idea about how to play up I am willing to work there. I am honestly thinking of simply saying, "I am single, mobile, and willing to work at a firm that is going to give me the best experience possible."
I would just think of a few interesting/attractive things about the region and say that you're interested in whatever practice area the firm is strong in.
You could also just go the fake significant other route, too.
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wiz wrote:The problem, I think, isn't so much being willing to work there as it is being willing to stay there. If you're single and mobile, what's to keep you from seeking other job opportunities in a target market or lateraling after a couple years?Anonymous User wrote:Just received an invitation for an interview with a firm of about 200 associates in a market I have zero ties. Although it is just a screener interview, it is NOT too late. Keep it up. This just added fuel to my fire to keep Mass Mailing, I hope it does for everyone else as well.
Also, anybody have any suggestions for this? I have absolutely zero idea about how to play up I am willing to work there. I am honestly thinking of simply saying, "I am single, mobile, and willing to work at a firm that is going to give me the best experience possible."
I would just think of a few interesting/attractive things about the region and say that you're interested in whatever practice area the firm is strong in.
You could also just go the fake significant other route, too.
I was thinking about doing both of those things. I am going to call my parents up and see if there is any family in this area, no matter how extended they are.
I just am really confused as to how I even got this interview, my resume SCREAMS a particular major market, there is nothing on my resume which would insinuate any ties to this market, which TLS would consider very insular.
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I was in the exact same position, resume screams one market, got two CBs in a far away land somehow, and totally wasted everyone's time by going to them. Dings were both sent same day because I had no demonstrable ties.Anonymous User wrote:I just am really confused as to how I even got this interview, my resume SCREAMS a particular major market, there is nothing on my resume which would insinuate any ties to this market, which TLS would consider very insular.
Am I saying you should just give up? No, go in with full confidence and make up good reasons for being there. But just know, somewhere in the back of your head, that you're probably wasting your time.
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Why even offer the interview then? It makes no sense.Danger Zone wrote:I was in the exact same position, resume screams one market, got two CBs in a far away land somehow, and totally wasted everyone's time by going to them. Dings were both sent same day because I had no demonstrable ties.Anonymous User wrote:I just am really confused as to how I even got this interview, my resume SCREAMS a particular major market, there is nothing on my resume which would insinuate any ties to this market, which TLS would consider very insular.
Am I saying you should just give up? No, go in with full confidence and make up good reasons for being there. But just know, somewhere in the back of your head, that you're probably wasting your time.
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Got a CB that just turned into an Offer from mass-mailing. Keep at it ladies and gents.
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is it too late? i'm above median, t14, normal, diverse, etc. may have struck out. very depressed.
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Still keeping hope up for the massive amount of emails I sent (400+)..... But today I get to atone for my sinful thoughts Re: today's 7 snail mail and 5 email rejections
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How long should I be making my cover letters? I'm sort of worried the template for the one I've been using is too long and wordy (250-350 words, depending on how much customization I do for the firm). I'm considering making my future ones more like the ones in the sample mass mail spreadsheet (which are like 100-150 words) and putting them in the body of the email rather than uploading it as a separate cover letter. Maybe this would make it more likely to get looked at?
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Oops above was me, didn't mean to anon.
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