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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Aug 25, 2015 12:50 pm

I had a Yesware email set-up to contact an office. I got a response and now I have a screener interview with the firm.

Somehow Yesware made a second draft of the email and sent it off to them, so I got a short response from the person doing recruiting. Now I'm afraid they'll think I'm just sending off mass emails, when ironically this was one of the few totally-customized emails I sent.

Does this hurt me at all? I sent an apology email, but I'm not sure if it would work. This is my first interview in weeks and I would be crushed if this ruined it.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby pancakes3 » Tue Aug 25, 2015 1:09 pm

your apology email probably did more harm than the rogue mass mail

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Aug 25, 2015 1:19 pm

pancakes3 wrote:your apology email probably did more harm than the rogue mass mail


Great. Well, thanks for being honest. Guess I'm staying unemployed.

If it was toxic to my chances, would they just email me and tell me they have to put it off? Or will they invite me in still for the interview and just count it as a major ding against me?

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Kratos » Tue Aug 25, 2015 1:27 pm

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pancakes3 wrote:your apology email probably did more harm than the rogue mass mail


Great. Well, thanks for being honest. Guess I'm staying unemployed.

If it was toxic to my chances, would they just email me and tell me they have to put it off? Or will they invite me in still for the interview and just count it as a major ding against me?

chill. you're fine. just go and crush the interview.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Aug 25, 2015 1:31 pm

Kratos wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
pancakes3 wrote:your apology email probably did more harm than the rogue mass mail


Great. Well, thanks for being honest. Guess I'm staying unemployed.

If it was toxic to my chances, would they just email me and tell me they have to put it off? Or will they invite me in still for the interview and just count it as a major ding against me?

chill. you're fine. just go and crush the interview.


Will do. And while I respect both of you, pancakes3 and Kratos, I needed a confidence boost after that dumb move, so thanks.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Traynor Brah » Tue Aug 25, 2015 1:49 pm

Just play it cool man, you're fine. Just say you screwed something up in gmail and play the luddite card. Most attorneys will empathize.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Aug 26, 2015 9:35 am

Got a mass mailer straight to callback. Pretty pumped.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Aug 26, 2015 9:58 am

Did you use alumni emails?

OK to just ask them for an interview rather than "talk to you about your practice and X firm"?

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Aug 26, 2015 11:42 am

Anonymous User wrote:Did you use alumni emails?

OK to just ask them for an interview rather than "talk to you about your practice and X firm"?



What I suggest:

Use alumni emails. But if you're using from your law school, use sparingly. Try to put emphasis on people from your undergrad who are now at X law firms. I have received zero responses from people at my law school who are in firms. I have heard back from every single person from my undergrad whom I emailed.

And - I think this is important - DON'T JUST ASK THEM FOR AN INTERVIEW. That will come later. But if this person has no connection to the hiring process, your attempt will be futile. It'll also make them feel like you're simply using them. In a sense, you are, but you at least need to show courtesy and talk to them first. Normally this serves as an "informational interview," and you can then springboard into giving them your resume.

What I suggest is asking for fifteen minutes of their time to talk over the phone, or to get coffee with them while they have downtime. Just tell them about your job search, tell them you're interested in the work they do, ask them what would make you more attractive to a firm like theirs, or what experience is necessary for a job in X practice, and by the end say "it was great talking to you, may I give you my resume to look at?" And if they say yes, great. If they say no, still great, you now have a networking connection, which should be mutually beneficial. This is what they want, and this is why simply asking for an interview won't work. You want someone you can email at any point in the future for help, and someone who can perhaps rely on you once you're established in your field.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Traynor Brah » Wed Aug 26, 2015 11:00 pm

It doesn't matter what email address you use, so long as it isn't something silly. I used my name at gmail and it worked great.
Anonymous User wrote:And - I think this is important - DON'T JUST ASK THEM FOR AN INTERVIEW. That will come later. But if this person has no connection to the hiring process, your attempt will be futile. It'll also make them feel like you're simply using them. In a sense, you are, but you at least need to show courtesy and talk to them first. Normally this serves as an "informational interview," and you can then springboard into giving them your resume.

What I suggest is asking for fifteen minutes of their time to talk over the phone, or to get coffee with them while they have downtime. Just tell them about your job search, tell them you're interested in the work they do, ask them what would make you more attractive to a firm like theirs, or what experience is necessary for a job in X practice, and by the end say "it was great talking to you, may I give you my resume to look at?" And if they say yes, great. If they say no, still great, you now have a networking connection, which should be mutually beneficial. This is what they want, and this is why simply asking for an interview won't work. You want someone you can email at any point in the future for help, and someone who can perhaps rely on you once you're established in your field.

this kind of stuff strikes me as a little weird for someone looking for a job in Sept of 2L, no offense. I don't see this tactic coming off well as opposed to being more forward. Unless you are a 1L and this scenario is well before summer recruiting season, in which case this is probably a more well-advised strategy. They get it; you want and need a job. It's more courteous to not waste their time and not beat around the bush, when they're just going to assume you are using them to try and get an in at the firm anyway.

If you're mailing a recruiter or a partner, you should definitely be asking them for an interview in the email. E.g. "I am writing to apply for a summer associate position with firm." If you are writing to an associate who is from your undergrad, do something like "I am writing to apply to x firm, and, as a fellow X school graduate, I was hoping you might be able to best direct my application, and, if you had some free time, possibly meet at some point to chat about the firm."

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Aug 27, 2015 10:47 am

Traynor Brah wrote:It doesn't matter what email address you use, so long as it isn't something silly. I used my name at gmail and it worked great.
Anonymous User wrote:And - I think this is important - DON'T JUST ASK THEM FOR AN INTERVIEW. That will come later. But if this person has no connection to the hiring process, your attempt will be futile. It'll also make them feel like you're simply using them. In a sense, you are, but you at least need to show courtesy and talk to them first. Normally this serves as an "informational interview," and you can then springboard into giving them your resume.

What I suggest is asking for fifteen minutes of their time to talk over the phone, or to get coffee with them while they have downtime. Just tell them about your job search, tell them you're interested in the work they do, ask them what would make you more attractive to a firm like theirs, or what experience is necessary for a job in X practice, and by the end say "it was great talking to you, may I give you my resume to look at?" And if they say yes, great. If they say no, still great, you now have a networking connection, which should be mutually beneficial. This is what they want, and this is why simply asking for an interview won't work. You want someone you can email at any point in the future for help, and someone who can perhaps rely on you once you're established in your field.

this kind of stuff strikes me as a little weird for someone looking for a job in Sept of 2L, no offense. I don't see this tactic coming off well as opposed to being more forward. Unless you are a 1L and this scenario is well before summer recruiting season, in which case this is probably a more well-advised strategy. They get it; you want and need a job. It's more courteous to not waste their time and not beat around the bush, when they're just going to assume you are using them to try and get an in at the firm anyway.

If you're mailing a recruiter or a partner, you should definitely be asking them for an interview in the email. E.g. "I am writing to apply for a summer associate position with firm." If you are writing to an associate who is from your undergrad, do something like "I am writing to apply to x firm, and, as a fellow X school graduate, I was hoping you might be able to best direct my application, and, if you had some free time, possibly meet at some point to chat about the firm."


This is true. I guess where I'm coming from is the two or three phone calls where I've demonstrated interest in the partners as people, and in the firm itself, instead of just asking for an interview, the partners suggested I give them my resume - right before I was going to ask. Perhaps this works better when your connection is from your undergrad. Really, there are a lot of factors in play here and any one of them may have led to my positive news; there's no proof that my earlier advice is what did it.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:28 pm

So I massmailed to a firm a while back where a partner is an alum but haven't heard anything since. One of the partners wrote me this though:

"I am teaching as an adjunct at _______ this fall so feel free to reach out to me after the start of class."

Class has resumed. How should I go about approaching this tactfully without saying "get me a god damn job bro"

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Aug 28, 2015 9:56 am

Anonymous User wrote:So I massmailed to a firm a while back where a partner is an alum but haven't heard anything since. One of the partners wrote me this though:

"I am teaching as an adjunct at _______ this fall so feel free to reach out to me after the start of class."

Class has resumed. How should I go about approaching this tactfully without saying "get me a god damn job bro"


Stealth.

Talk to him and incept him, in a sense. Have a normal conversation if you meet with him in person, but push the job thing. Slip your resume in a bit. Relate to past experiences that were on your resume. After ten minutes, ask if he can have your resume.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Aug 28, 2015 10:11 am

How do you justify if a firm asks you "why X state"? I have family and friends that live there.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby patfeeney » Fri Aug 28, 2015 11:07 am

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Aug 28, 2015 11:07 am

Anonymous User wrote:How do you justify if a firm asks you "why X state"? I have family and friends that live there.


I mean, that's perfect as it is.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 30, 2015 5:16 pm

For those of us mass mailing post OCI, when it is it appropriate to follow up? Is one week later reasonable or should more time be given? Also, would the same apply to places we have already sent follow-ups (from pre-OCI apps) or should more time be given for those?

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Sep 02, 2015 3:52 pm

How's the mailing going guys?

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Sep 02, 2015 4:11 pm

Anonymous User wrote:How's the mailing going guys?


I have two CBs this week straight from MM, so I'm not doing too poorly.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Manteca » Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:10 pm

Anonymous User wrote:How's the mailing going guys?


Awful

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:41 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:How's the mailing going guys?


I have two CBs this week straight from MM, so I'm not doing too poorly.


Were those from initial MM or MM + follow-up, going up the chain, etc.?

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby stevie1138 » Wed Sep 02, 2015 10:18 pm

Mass mailing in California has been such a struggle

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Sep 03, 2015 1:57 am

I emailed a few firms right after OCI and so far got one screener and one ding. It seems firms are starting to review writein applications. Keep it up guys!

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Sep 03, 2015 11:32 am

Mass-mail in California HAS been really hard. So many are really hesitant to pull the trigger, so we have this massive log-jam. I think things will open up soon, but I've had much better luck in smaller markets.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Sep 03, 2015 12:48 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:How's the mailing going guys?


I have two CBs this week straight from MM, so I'm not doing too poorly.


Were those from initial MM or MM + follow-up, going up the chain, etc.?


Initial MM, maybe the first one had a follow-up a week later.




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