[youtube]EZD1f9RTEJU[/youtube]chuckbass wrote:whoa whoa whoa he hasn't replaced zuck just yetAnonymous User wrote:Traynor Brah you're literally the best.Traynor Brah wrote:Well I mean yeah why not. Until you have that first offer in hand, spending thirty seconds to fill those out is still a better use of your time than, say, reading tea leaves.
I wouldn't stop with the online form though if you really cared about the place. Start up the chain after you've been referred there and havent heard back. If you catch the interest of a partner and they want you to be screened, that's all that will matter.
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When mass mailing, does it make sense to take care of the firm's prestige?
i.e. is it a total waste, or even perhaps negative, to send an email to Wachtell with only median grades, or is an application an application?
i.e. is it a total waste, or even perhaps negative, to send an email to Wachtell with only median grades, or is an application an application?
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I mean, you're kind of just wasting your time. If you don't have the grades to pass the screener test for selective firms, what's the point of mailing?Anonymous User wrote:When mass mailing, does it make sense to take care of the firm's prestige?
i.e. is it a total waste, or even perhaps negative, to send an email to Wachtell with only median grades, or is an application an application?
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TheoO wrote:I mean, you're kind of just wasting your time. If you don't have the grades to pass the screener test for selective firms, what's the point of mailing?Anonymous User wrote:When mass mailing, does it make sense to take care of the firm's prestige?
i.e. is it a total waste, or even perhaps negative, to send an email to Wachtell with only median grades, or is an application an application?
Well, for example, I didn't quite research Covington's grade cut-off until after I had materials set up and and email to their recruiting manager scheduled to send off. I got so lost in sending out a ton of letters that I forgot to see if the firm is actually looking to people like me as candidates.
I'm more concerned (out of my paranoia) that I'll send my letter to Covington or Wachtell and they'll end up spreading the word that this d-bag is mass-mailing, do not hire and my mugshot appears as a print-out under the desks of every secretary in America.
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Less thinking, more blasting
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Me likey.BigZuck wrote:Less thinking, more blasting
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They will just hit delete to your app and forget you ever existed. So you're good.Anonymous User wrote:TheoO wrote:I mean, you're kind of just wasting your time. If you don't have the grades to pass the screener test for selective firms, what's the point of mailing?Anonymous User wrote:When mass mailing, does it make sense to take care of the firm's prestige?
i.e. is it a total waste, or even perhaps negative, to send an email to Wachtell with only median grades, or is an application an application?
Well, for example, I didn't quite research Covington's grade cut-off until after I had materials set up and and email to their recruiting manager scheduled to send off. I got so lost in sending out a ton of letters that I forgot to see if the firm is actually looking to people like me as candidates.
I'm more concerned (out of my paranoia) that I'll send my letter to Covington or Wachtell and they'll end up spreading the word that this d-bag is mass-mailing, do not hire and my mugshot appears as a print-out under the desks of every secretary in America.
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As the always wise 09042014 once said:
09042014 wrote:send some god damn job applications.
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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing
fwiw i received screeners/cbs from mass mail for places where I am "below the grade cut off". sometimes the cut offs are hard bright lines, sometimes they're guidelines. you've got nothing to lose by mailing.BigZuck wrote:Less thinking, more blasting
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Nearing 500 MM's and not a single positive response. Only about 50 dings though. And this is after several people (both on TLS and IRL) telling me my resume, cover letter, etc. is ok. Starting to get worried.
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How did you apply to 500 firms?
I'm at about 130 and am considering double-dipping on satellite offices since I've heard silence from my first round cities.
I'm at about 130 and am considering double-dipping on satellite offices since I've heard silence from my first round cities.
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This scares me. Some questions I have:Anonymous User wrote:Nearing 500 MM's and not a single positive response. Only about 50 dings though. And this is after several people (both on TLS and IRL) telling me my resume, cover letter, etc. is ok. Starting to get worried.
What markets?
When did you send?
Any confirmation about them hearing from you?
Grade range?
School ranking?
Who did you send to?
Did you personalize the addresses/names on the letters?
Any lawcruit forms?
Did you apply to markets that you have no connection to?
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DudeAnonymous User wrote:This scares me. Some questions I have:Anonymous User wrote:Nearing 500 MM's and not a single positive response. Only about 50 dings though. And this is after several people (both on TLS and IRL) telling me my resume, cover letter, etc. is ok. Starting to get worried.
What markets?
When did you send?
Any confirmation about them hearing from you?
Grade range?
School ranking?
Who did you send to?
Did you personalize the addresses/names on the letters?
Any lawcruit forms?
Did you apply to markets that you have no connection to?
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Responding to you:What markets?
When did you send?
Any confirmation about them hearing from you?
Grade range?
School ranking?
Who did you send to?
Did you personalize the addresses/names on the letters?
Any lawcruit forms?
Did you apply to markets that you have no connection to?
I started early July, did followups last week.
Pretty much any market I had ties to: SF, LA, NYC, DC, Chicago other satellite offices as well (Raleigh, for example).
Lots of confirmations (not nearly all) but radio silence since.
I'm median at a school where it would give me away if I posted which it was. Not a T14 (and this is probably the important part).
Sent to recruiters, followed up with partners recently.
I would say a dozen or so lawcruit firms.
And only applied to two markets that I didn't have ties to (Dallas/Austin).
Very afraid of striking out so hence my intense mailing.
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Anonymous User wrote:Responding to you:What markets?
When did you send?
Any confirmation about them hearing from you?
Grade range?
School ranking?
Who did you send to?
Did you personalize the addresses/names on the letters?
Any lawcruit forms?
Did you apply to markets that you have no connection to?
I started early July, did followups last week.
Pretty much any market I had ties to: SF, LA, NYC, DC, Chicago other satellite offices as well (Raleigh, for example).
Lots of confirmations (not nearly all) but radio silence since.
I'm median at a school where it would give me away if I posted which it was. Not a T14 (and this is probably the important part).
Sent to recruiters, followed up with partners recently.
I would say a dozen or so lawcruit firms.
And only applied to two markets that I didn't have ties to (Dallas/Austin).
Very afraid of striking out so hence my intense mailing.
I think you should definitely try to re-send a lot of them, especially the ones you followed up with this past week if you didn't re-submit your materials.
My understanding is that July is incredibly early for recruiters, and I wouldn't be surprised if a gigantic proportion of your apps simply got buried in the pile, and probably toward the bottom. Put your apps back on top where they belong and I think you may see more results.
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I know this is a stressful time, but you really need to turn down the paranoia a bit. Nobody is going to care that you applied to a reach firm; certainly not enough to actually tell other people about it.Anonymous User wrote:
Well, for example, I didn't quite research Covington's grade cut-off until after I had materials set up and and email to their recruiting manager scheduled to send off. I got so lost in sending out a ton of letters that I forgot to see if the firm is actually looking to people like me as candidates.
I'm more concerned (out of my paranoia) that I'll send my letter to Covington or Wachtell and they'll end up spreading the word that this d-bag is mass-mailing, do not hire and my mugshot appears as a print-out under the desks of every secretary in America.
This really isn't true. Hiring is very idiosyncratic, and few grade cutoffs are bright lines.TheoO wrote: I mean, you're kind of just wasting your time. If you don't have the grades to pass the screener test for selective firms, what's the point of mailing?
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BigZuck wrote:Less thinking, more blasting
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I had quite a bit more success once I followed up and said, "I'll be in X market from August y-z. I'd love to meet with you then if you have time." Buy the plane tickets on a wing and a prayer and then hustle your buns off to get at least a lunch with someone.
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Do people usually have much luck with the "We are deciding which off-schedule applicants to interview. I will let you know if you are selected"? Or are the screeners from MMing usually immediate?
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I wonder the same. I just got one of these.Anonymous User wrote:Do people usually have much luck with the "We are deciding which off-schedule applicants to interview. I will let you know if you are selected"?
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How about applying to a different office of a firm that denied a callback during EIP? (ding).
Like, the Washington office, when I got rejected from NY.
Like, the Washington office, when I got rejected from NY.
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I know massmail takes zero effort, it's better to mail than not and all that but still... don't hold your breath for getting DC when you whiffed on NYC.Anonymous User wrote: Like, the Washington office, when I got rejected from NY.
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That's a soft ding in my experience but reading tea leaves never did anyone any good so don't think about it too hardAnonymous User wrote:Do people usually have much luck with the "We are deciding which off-schedule applicants to interview. I will let you know if you are selected"? Or are the screeners from MMing usually immediate?
Screener offers range from immediate to months later. There isn't really a "usual" when it comes to mass mailing
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I got a Skadden DC screener and callback from mass-mail after being rejected from an off-campus interview screener with Skadden NYC. Don't be so negative.pancakes3 wrote:I know massmail takes zero effort, it's better to mail than not and all that but still... don't hold your breath for getting DC when you whiffed on NYC.Anonymous User wrote: Like, the Washington office, when I got rejected from NY.
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a few days ago there was a thread about the online app things but I can't find it so I figured I'd just post here.
I think the thread was asking whether anyone had ever heard back from an online app (as opposed to mass mail). Unless I'm reading my spreadsheet wrong, I heard back from 2 today: a DC firm with grades reqs way above what mine are (rejection), and (the more interesting one) a straight to callback with a NYC market firm (but not headquartered in NYC). I applied to the DC firm July 31st, and the NYC firm about a month ago.
I think the thread was asking whether anyone had ever heard back from an online app (as opposed to mass mail). Unless I'm reading my spreadsheet wrong, I heard back from 2 today: a DC firm with grades reqs way above what mine are (rejection), and (the more interesting one) a straight to callback with a NYC market firm (but not headquartered in NYC). I applied to the DC firm July 31st, and the NYC firm about a month ago.
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