Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby BigZuck » Sun Aug 16, 2015 3:05 pm

chuckbass wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Traynor Brah wrote:Well I mean yeah why not. Until you have that first offer in hand, spending thirty seconds to fill those out is still a better use of your time than, say, reading tea leaves.

I wouldn't stop with the online form though if you really cared about the place. Start up the chain after you've been referred there and havent heard back. If you catch the interest of a partner and they want you to be screened, that's all that will matter.


Traynor Brah you're literally the best.

whoa whoa whoa he hasn't replaced zuck just yet


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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 16, 2015 3:51 pm

When mass mailing, does it make sense to take care of the firm's prestige?

i.e. is it a total waste, or even perhaps negative, to send an email to Wachtell with only median grades, or is an application an application? :lol:

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby TheoO » Sun Aug 16, 2015 5:42 pm

Anonymous User wrote:When mass mailing, does it make sense to take care of the firm's prestige?

i.e. is it a total waste, or even perhaps negative, to send an email to Wachtell with only median grades, or is an application an application? :lol:


I mean, you're kind of just wasting your time. If you don't have the grades to pass the screener test for selective firms, what's the point of mailing?

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 16, 2015 6:11 pm

TheoO wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:When mass mailing, does it make sense to take care of the firm's prestige?

i.e. is it a total waste, or even perhaps negative, to send an email to Wachtell with only median grades, or is an application an application? :lol:


I mean, you're kind of just wasting your time. If you don't have the grades to pass the screener test for selective firms, what's the point of mailing?



Well, for example, I didn't quite research Covington's grade cut-off until after I had materials set up and and email to their recruiting manager scheduled to send off. I got so lost in sending out a ton of letters that I forgot to see if the firm is actually looking to people like me as candidates.

I'm more concerned (out of my paranoia) that I'll send my letter to Covington or Wachtell and they'll end up spreading the word that this d-bag is mass-mailing, do not hire and my mugshot appears as a print-out under the desks of every secretary in America.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby BigZuck » Sun Aug 16, 2015 6:18 pm

Less thinking, more blasting

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 16, 2015 6:20 pm

BigZuck wrote:Less thinking, more blasting


Me likey.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby TheoO » Sun Aug 16, 2015 6:21 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
TheoO wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:When mass mailing, does it make sense to take care of the firm's prestige?

i.e. is it a total waste, or even perhaps negative, to send an email to Wachtell with only median grades, or is an application an application? :lol:


I mean, you're kind of just wasting your time. If you don't have the grades to pass the screener test for selective firms, what's the point of mailing?



Well, for example, I didn't quite research Covington's grade cut-off until after I had materials set up and and email to their recruiting manager scheduled to send off. I got so lost in sending out a ton of letters that I forgot to see if the firm is actually looking to people like me as candidates.

I'm more concerned (out of my paranoia) that I'll send my letter to Covington or Wachtell and they'll end up spreading the word that this d-bag is mass-mailing, do not hire and my mugshot appears as a print-out under the desks of every secretary in America.


They will just hit delete to your app and forget you ever existed. So you're good.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby BigZuck » Sun Aug 16, 2015 6:27 pm

As the always wise 09042014 once said:
09042014 wrote:send some god damn job applications.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby justkeepswimming794 » Sun Aug 16, 2015 6:48 pm

BigZuck wrote:Less thinking, more blasting


fwiw i received screeners/cbs from mass mail for places where I am "below the grade cut off". sometimes the cut offs are hard bright lines, sometimes they're guidelines. you've got nothing to lose by mailing.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 16, 2015 6:55 pm

Nearing 500 MM's and not a single positive response. Only about 50 dings though. And this is after several people (both on TLS and IRL) telling me my resume, cover letter, etc. is ok. Starting to get worried.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 16, 2015 7:13 pm

How did you apply to 500 firms?

I'm at about 130 and am considering double-dipping on satellite offices since I've heard silence from my first round cities.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 16, 2015 7:20 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Nearing 500 MM's and not a single positive response. Only about 50 dings though. And this is after several people (both on TLS and IRL) telling me my resume, cover letter, etc. is ok. Starting to get worried.


This scares me. Some questions I have:

What markets?
When did you send?
Any confirmation about them hearing from you?
Grade range?
School ranking?
Who did you send to?
Did you personalize the addresses/names on the letters?
Any lawcruit forms?
Did you apply to markets that you have no connection to?

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby BigZuck » Sun Aug 16, 2015 7:47 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Nearing 500 MM's and not a single positive response. Only about 50 dings though. And this is after several people (both on TLS and IRL) telling me my resume, cover letter, etc. is ok. Starting to get worried.


This scares me. Some questions I have:

What markets?
When did you send?
Any confirmation about them hearing from you?
Grade range?
School ranking?
Who did you send to?
Did you personalize the addresses/names on the letters?
Any lawcruit forms?
Did you apply to markets that you have no connection to?

Dude

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 16, 2015 7:59 pm

What markets?
When did you send?
Any confirmation about them hearing from you?
Grade range?
School ranking?
Who did you send to?
Did you personalize the addresses/names on the letters?
Any lawcruit forms?
Did you apply to markets that you have no connection to?


Responding to you:

I started early July, did followups last week.
Pretty much any market I had ties to: SF, LA, NYC, DC, Chicago other satellite offices as well (Raleigh, for example).
Lots of confirmations (not nearly all) but radio silence since.
I'm median at a school where it would give me away if I posted which it was. Not a T14 (and this is probably the important part).
Sent to recruiters, followed up with partners recently.
I would say a dozen or so lawcruit firms.
And only applied to two markets that I didn't have ties to (Dallas/Austin).
Very afraid of striking out so hence my intense mailing.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 16, 2015 8:08 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
What markets?
When did you send?
Any confirmation about them hearing from you?
Grade range?
School ranking?
Who did you send to?
Did you personalize the addresses/names on the letters?
Any lawcruit forms?
Did you apply to markets that you have no connection to?


Responding to you:

I started early July, did followups last week.
Pretty much any market I had ties to: SF, LA, NYC, DC, Chicago other satellite offices as well (Raleigh, for example).
Lots of confirmations (not nearly all) but radio silence since.
I'm median at a school where it would give me away if I posted which it was. Not a T14 (and this is probably the important part).
Sent to recruiters, followed up with partners recently.
I would say a dozen or so lawcruit firms.
And only applied to two markets that I didn't have ties to (Dallas/Austin).
Very afraid of striking out so hence my intense mailing.



I think you should definitely try to re-send a lot of them, especially the ones you followed up with this past week if you didn't re-submit your materials.

My understanding is that July is incredibly early for recruiters, and I wouldn't be surprised if a gigantic proportion of your apps simply got buried in the pile, and probably toward the bottom. Put your apps back on top where they belong and I think you may see more results.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby hoos89 » Sun Aug 16, 2015 11:11 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Well, for example, I didn't quite research Covington's grade cut-off until after I had materials set up and and email to their recruiting manager scheduled to send off. I got so lost in sending out a ton of letters that I forgot to see if the firm is actually looking to people like me as candidates.

I'm more concerned (out of my paranoia) that I'll send my letter to Covington or Wachtell and they'll end up spreading the word that this d-bag is mass-mailing, do not hire and my mugshot appears as a print-out under the desks of every secretary in America.


I know this is a stressful time, but you really need to turn down the paranoia a bit. Nobody is going to care that you applied to a reach firm; certainly not enough to actually tell other people about it.


TheoO wrote:I mean, you're kind of just wasting your time. If you don't have the grades to pass the screener test for selective firms, what's the point of mailing?


This really isn't true. Hiring is very idiosyncratic, and few grade cutoffs are bright lines.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Traynor Brah » Mon Aug 17, 2015 2:05 am

BigZuck wrote:Less thinking, more blasting

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby LitttUp » Mon Aug 17, 2015 10:49 am

I had quite a bit more success once I followed up and said, "I'll be in X market from August y-z. I'd love to meet with you then if you have time." Buy the plane tickets on a wing and a prayer and then hustle your buns off to get at least a lunch with someone.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Aug 17, 2015 11:08 am

Do people usually have much luck with the "We are deciding which off-schedule applicants to interview. I will let you know if you are selected"? Or are the screeners from MMing usually immediate?

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Aug 17, 2015 11:09 am

Anonymous User wrote:Do people usually have much luck with the "We are deciding which off-schedule applicants to interview. I will let you know if you are selected"?


I wonder the same. I just got one of these.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Aug 17, 2015 12:50 pm

How about applying to a different office of a firm that denied a callback during EIP? (ding).

Like, the Washington office, when I got rejected from NY.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby pancakes3 » Mon Aug 17, 2015 1:17 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Like, the Washington office, when I got rejected from NY.


I know massmail takes zero effort, it's better to mail than not and all that but still... don't hold your breath for getting DC when you whiffed on NYC.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby BigZuck » Mon Aug 17, 2015 1:26 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Do people usually have much luck with the "We are deciding which off-schedule applicants to interview. I will let you know if you are selected"? Or are the screeners from MMing usually immediate?

That's a soft ding in my experience but reading tea leaves never did anyone any good so don't think about it too hard

Screener offers range from immediate to months later. There isn't really a "usual" when it comes to mass mailing

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Aug 17, 2015 6:45 pm

pancakes3 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Like, the Washington office, when I got rejected from NY.


I know massmail takes zero effort, it's better to mail than not and all that but still... don't hold your breath for getting DC when you whiffed on NYC.


I got a Skadden DC screener and callback from mass-mail after being rejected from an off-campus interview screener with Skadden NYC. Don't be so negative.

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Re: Reminder: Stop Reading Tea Leaves; Start Mass Mailing

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Aug 18, 2015 1:57 am

a few days ago there was a thread about the online app things but I can't find it so I figured I'd just post here.

I think the thread was asking whether anyone had ever heard back from an online app (as opposed to mass mail). Unless I'm reading my spreadsheet wrong, I heard back from 2 today: a DC firm with grades reqs way above what mine are (rejection), and (the more interesting one) a straight to callback with a NYC market firm (but not headquartered in NYC). I applied to the DC firm July 31st, and the NYC firm about a month ago.




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