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Re: Winston & Strawn offer rate

Postby rad lulz » Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:29 pm

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Re: Winston & Strawn offer rate

Postby Ludo! » Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:39 pm

I get the point you're making MoJ but the point is retarded. Why do you like to argue for pages and pages about the stupidest shit. Striking out sucks too, nobody is saying it doesn't. But if I'd struck out at OCI I would have just dropped out. And lol at being able to explain away a no offer by 'boasting' about your other offers. it doesnt work like that. You have no idea how trying to get a job after getting no offered works sp you should just shut the fuck up

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Re: Winston & Strawn offer rate

Postby manofjustice » Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:47 pm

Ludovico Technique wrote:I get the point you're making MoJ but the point is retarded. Why do you like to argue for pages and pages about the stupidest shit. Striking out sucks too, nobody is saying it doesn't. But if I'd struck out at OCI I would have just dropped out. And lol at being able to explain away a no offer by 'boasting' about your other offers. it doesnt work like that. You have no idea how trying to get a job after getting no offered works sp you should just shut the fuck up


Well then explain it to me. I think I have some idea. It's tough and you're faced with the prospect of never being a lawyer. Just like a strike-out. Just, go LT. I'll shut up and you can tell me what I don't know...how it's oh so much more worse to get no-offered after a 30 grand summer than to strike out. Please, please...tell me how I just don't understand your plight.

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Re: Winston & Strawn offer rate

Postby unc0mm0n1 » Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:49 pm

manofjustice wrote:
Ludovico Technique wrote:I get the point you're making MoJ but the point is retarded. Why do you like to argue for pages and pages about the stupidest shit. Striking out sucks too, nobody is saying it doesn't. But if I'd struck out at OCI I would have just dropped out. And lol at being able to explain away a no offer by 'boasting' about your other offers. it doesnt work like that. You have no idea how trying to get a job after getting no offered works sp you should just shut the fuck up


Well then explain it to me. I think I have some idea. It's tough and you're faced with the prospect of never being a lawyer. Just like a strike-out. Just, go LT. I'll shut up and you can tell me what I don't know...how it's oh so much more worse to get no-offered after a 30 grand summer than to strike out. Please, please...tell me how I just don't understand your plight.


Wow... Do you even read what other people type?

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Re: Winston & Strawn offer rate

Postby RodneyRuxin » Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:51 pm

manofjustice wrote:
Ludovico Technique wrote:I get the point you're making MoJ but the point is retarded. Why do you like to argue for pages and pages about the stupidest shit. Striking out sucks too, nobody is saying it doesn't. But if I'd struck out at OCI I would have just dropped out. And lol at being able to explain away a no offer by 'boasting' about your other offers. it doesnt work like that. You have no idea how trying to get a job after getting no offered works sp you should just shut the fuck up


Well then explain it to me. I think I have some idea. It's tough and you're faced with the prospect of never being a lawyer. Just like a strike-out. Just, go LT. I'll shut up and you can tell me what I don't know...how it's oh so much more worse to get no-offered after a 30 grand summer than to strike out. Please, please...tell me how I just don't understand your plight.


I think it's pretty clear, it's all been pointed out, and you're just trolling. JFC why is it that every time I see your name on TLS you're making some idiotic argument and trying to get a rise out of people?

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Re: Winston & Strawn offer rate

Postby Ludo! » Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:53 pm

manofjustice wrote:
Ludovico Technique wrote:I get the point you're making MoJ but the point is retarded. Why do you like to argue for pages and pages about the stupidest shit. Striking out sucks too, nobody is saying it doesn't. But if I'd struck out at OCI I would have just dropped out. And lol at being able to explain away a no offer by 'boasting' about your other offers. it doesnt work like that. You have no idea how trying to get a job after getting no offered works sp you should just shut the fuck up


Well then explain it to me. I think I have some idea. It's tough and you're faced with the prospect of never being a lawyer. Just like a strike-out. Just, go LT. I'll shut up and you can tell me what I don't know...how it's oh so much more worse to get no-offered after a 30 grand summer than to strike out. Please, please...tell me how I just don't understand your plight.


If it was anyone else I would but you're an annoying condescending prick who thinks he's smarter than everyone else and you're too stubborn to argue with. Go fuck yourself

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Re: Winston & Strawn offer rate

Postby manofjustice » Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:54 pm

unc0mm0n1 wrote:
manofjustice wrote:
Ludovico Technique wrote:I get the point you're making MoJ but the point is retarded. Why do you like to argue for pages and pages about the stupidest shit. Striking out sucks too, nobody is saying it doesn't. But if I'd struck out at OCI I would have just dropped out. And lol at being able to explain away a no offer by 'boasting' about your other offers. it doesnt work like that. You have no idea how trying to get a job after getting no offered works sp you should just shut the fuck up


Well then explain it to me. I think I have some idea. It's tough and you're faced with the prospect of never being a lawyer. Just like a strike-out. Just, go LT. I'll shut up and you can tell me what I don't know...how it's oh so much more worse to get no-offered after a 30 grand summer than to strike out. Please, please...tell me how I just don't understand your plight.


Wow... Do you even read what other people type?


What's your major malfunction? I have heard everything that has been said. Forgone job search time over 2L and the summer. Addressed that (it's a good point but the jobs are not career-trajectory jobs; you're still on the same footing going into the 3L job hunt). Stigma of being no offered. Addressed that (the firm's low offer rate is public). No one has had the balls to admit from behind all their whining they're still 30 grand richer. What else is there? You can't "boast" about your other offers? The point is you got offers; a strike-out is presumed to be so bad he couldn't get any offers in the first place.

God there is something particularly annoying about people whining about being no-offered after making 30 grand in a summer and then having the balls to say they get to whine more than other people who have it as bad or worse than they do.

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Re: Winston & Strawn offer rate

Postby rad lulz » Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:56 pm

No one is arguing the point you are arguing against

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Re: Winston & Strawn offer rate

Postby manofjustice » Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:56 pm

rad lulz wrote:No one is arguing the point you are arguing against


Then what do you want me to say?

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Re: Winston & Strawn offer rate

Postby Bildungsroman » Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:58 pm

Manofjustice has always been a retard, ever since he was a 0L giving advice in the legal employment forum.

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Re: Winston & Strawn offer rate

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:59 pm

Ludo's right. They both suck, but striking out happens at the beginning of 2L. You can drop out and save huge amounts of money and time cutting your losses and doing something else. Or you can change gears within law - you still have plenty of time to line up something else for 2L summer. You can embrace PI. You can target mid-sized/small firms, which exist, hire outside of OCI, and may well net you an offer. You can try something in-house. You can gun for clerkships. It's much harder to do any of those things after a no-offer, given that you've clearly thrown your hat into the firm ring (which is a black mark for much PI), you've been rejected (a black mark for other firms), the timing for clerkship hiring means you have to start preparing/applying earlier, and 3L OCI is minimal to nonexistent. Yes, you got the money from a biglaw SA, but if you're looking at $200K+ in debt having had that money isn't as big a deal as it sounds - you're still screwed debt-wise, just slightly less than you might have been. You've been going on and on about long-term analysis - in the long term, that $30K doesn't help much if you're facing graduation with no job.

Plus, getting no-offered after being told for 10 weeks that you're wonderful and everyone will get offers and you don't have anything to worry about is pretty crappy in itself. I'm not saying it's necessarily worse than striking out, but it's a different kind of psychological trauma.

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Re: Winston & Strawn offer rate

Postby manofjustice » Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:05 pm

It's either you or someone else. You got no-offered and someone else got a job. Or you get a job and someone else strikes out or gets no offered. Bottom line guys. It's sound analysis.

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Re: Winston & Strawn offer rate

Postby hephaestus » Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:06 pm

manofjustice wrote:It's either you or someone else. You got no-offered and someone else got a job. Or you get a job and someone else strikes out or gets no offered. Bottom line guys. It's sound analysis.

Extraordinarily dubious.

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Re: Winston & Strawn offer rate

Postby manofjustice » Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:09 pm

ImNoScar wrote:
manofjustice wrote:It's either you or someone else. You got no-offered and someone else got a job. Or you get a job and someone else strikes out or gets no offered. Bottom line guys. It's sound analysis.

Extraordinarily dubious.


Okay, whatever. I give up.

You're fighting for who gets to sit in the deck chairs as the Titanic sinks.

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Re: Winston & Strawn offer rate

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:13 pm

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Re: Winston & Strawn offer rate

Postby 09042014 » Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:15 pm

***MoJ unskewing his ding letters***

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Re: Winston & Strawn offer rate

Postby manofjustice » Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:17 pm

A. Nony Mouse wrote:Image


Haha! That's funny.

The issues are related because if the no-offer has it worse than the strike-out, then no-offering adds to the aggregate misery of law students. I am arguing that because the difference in position between the two is low and because the no-offer means one less strike out (or no-offer) for another student, the aggregate misery is basically the same. Hence the Titanic is sinking and we're arguing about whose deck chair is whose.

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Re: Winston & Strawn offer rate

Postby manofjustice » Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:19 pm

Desert Fox wrote:***MoJ unskewing his ding letters***


This is unrelated to my performance. You don't need to worry about me. Wherever I land, I've seen enough to realize that there are an incredible number of smart people in law school and that this will not turn out well for all of us.

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Re: Winston & Strawn offer rate

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:24 pm

Going back to this:
manofjustice wrote:If these people had other offers, then by taking Winston's offer, they opened up a spot in BigLaw for someone else who wouldn't have had one.

You're presuming that offers are evenly distributed. If you've got 3 2Ls each with offers from firm A, firm B, and firm C, and 2L #1 accepts A (turning down B & C), and 2L #2 accepts firm B (turning down A & C), and 2L #3 accepts firm C (turning down A & B), 2Ls #4, 5, & 6 still don't get anything, regardless of whether the other 3 get offers or not.

I agree that smart people at good schools can well end up with nothing. And yes, that sucks. But your pseudo-calculations about the aggregate misery of whatever don't add anything to the analysis.

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Re: Winston & Strawn offer rate

Postby manofjustice » Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:29 pm

A. Nony Mouse wrote:Going back to this:
manofjustice wrote:If these people had other offers, then by taking Winston's offer, they opened up a spot in BigLaw for someone else who wouldn't have had one.

You're presuming that offers are evenly distributed. If you've got 3 2Ls each with offers from firm A, firm B, and firm C, and 2L #1 accepts A (turning down B & C), and 2L #2 accepts firm B (turning down A & C), and 2L #3 accepts firm C (turning down A & B), 2Ls #4, 5, & 6 still don't get anything, regardless of whether the other 3 get offers or not.

I agree that smart people at good schools can well end up with nothing. And yes, that sucks. But your pseudo-calculations about the aggregate misery of whatever don't add anything to the analysis.


If firm A is W&S and 2L #1 in hindsight would have taken firm B to avoid being no-offered at firm A, 2L #2 would be competing with 2L #3 for firm C (or would take firm A, thus being no-offered.) If 2L #2 and #3 are competing for firm C, one will strike out.

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Re: Winston & Strawn offer rate

Postby Ludo! » Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:32 pm

I like all these new mods

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Re: Winston & Strawn offer rate

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:34 pm

Ludovico Technique wrote:I like all these new mods

:lol:

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Re: Winston & Strawn offer rate

Postby 09042014 » Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:34 pm

It's a mix of both. Firms don't have a set number of SA spots. They have a target. 1-2 more is usually fine. They want 10 summers, they offer 30, and see what happens.

So when someone takes W&S over Jenner Block. Jenner doesn't always make another offer. Though sometimes they have ton.

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Re: Winston & Strawn offer rate

Postby glitched » Sat Aug 17, 2013 7:04 pm

BullShitWithBravado wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:100% offers


All offices?

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Re: Winston & Strawn offer rate

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Aug 17, 2013 7:48 pm

glitched wrote:
BullShitWithBravado wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:100% offers


All offices?


Sorry, kinda abandoned the thread after that tangent. I was told by an associate 100 for the whole class. Can only confirm chi myself.




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