Icculus wrote: Anonymous User wrote: FlightoftheEarls wrote:
manofjustice wrote:I have had the OCI experience and I am serious, ass hole. Stop pretending that Winston & Strawn owes you something but not all the other people who are hurting ITE. You think that by getting offers you turned into a special snowflake so that all the other people deserve to hurt but you don't? You applied to BigLaw for $$$. BigLaw is about making $$$ for partners. You knew all this. You had to go to make partners more $$$. Do you think this is a fucking charity? NYState actually thinks Winston & Strawn needs to "hit the pavement" for these people? How about they hit the pavement for the lines of unemployed, qualified graduates on the street first who never even had a chance.
If you can't tell the difference between (i) a person's reliance on statements that he will be employed until it's far too late to salvage any meaningful hope at pursuing the type of career he had multiple opportunities of pursuing and (ii) a person knowing that he needs to actively search for a job while that career remains a possibility, I'm just not sure what to tell you.
Also, the "You guys should get tougher skin because I understand the name of the game and you guys need to grow up and stop complaining" shtick is just silly. Sure, Winston is welcome to no-offer a bunch of their summer class and wish them well by providing little to no career outplacement support. In the same vein, though, law students are welcome to talk about how other students should avoid a firm like that unless they have absolutely no other options. It's an incredibly shitty situation to find yourself in as a rising 3L post-SA, and a firm that knowingly puts students in that situation, one that the firm knows full well can be devastating to one's career, will earn that reputation. Quit defending them out of some bullshit sense of free market grandstanding.
I am not defending W&S. I am just pissed at the comment from NYState that W&S needed to "hit the pavement."
Look, it's one summer. You suffered no reliance damages that were not fungible. As I explained, you suffered, but that suffering did not add to the total suffering of you and your fellow law students. It just shifted it. (So long as those suffering had other offers they gave up.) You are right where the others would be. (Except you made a cool 30 grand during the summer.) So, no. I don't have an ounce more sympathy for you than for the other students--no less either.
The problem is the firm told people with other offers at firms that did make 100% offers that they had nothing to worry about and would get offers. Then they no offered like 25% of the class. Winston doesn't owe people a job, but the fact they knowingly mislead people about offers is totally bullshit and the sympathy is because these people could have gone elsewhere for the most part. And while pounding the pavement may be extreme if it is truly economic the place should try and help out the group is screwed.
Again, we're not communicating. I know they could have gotten jobs at other places. That's the point. By taking Winston's offer, they declined their other offers, and opened up spots in BigLaw for people who wouldn't have had one otherwise.
You essentially struck out of OCI. Nothing very magical happened in the extra three months during which you summered, except that you did great work (like anybody could do). If Winston knew that their summer class size needed to be smaller when they OCI'd, they just would have just refused to call you back back. It's a timing issue, no more. You struck out.
Come to grips with the fact that your getting the Winston offer in the first place involved some luck. And on the back-end, you got unlucky.
edit: MoJ...accidental annon.