SBL wrote: Anonymous User wrote:
SBL wrote:Just know it comes off poorly. Almost every attorney I know lols at and/or ignores emails from gunner 1Ls.
I've met with over 25 attorneys (pre-OCI) and every one of them has said they were impressed and when I asked for advice they said "keep doing what you're doing--showing interest early will put you ahead of most at OCI." A few (from v10 firms, mind you) have asked for my resume after the meeting.
I'd say around 5-10 attorneys have ignored my emails. Caveat: Most people I've emailed were alumni or I was referred to them by someone at a networking event.
I mean, YMMV, YOLO, pick your acronym. If you're having fun and getting results, then let your gunner freak flag fly by all means. I just don't respond well to that kind of attitude. An email from a 1L "just looking for information" feels disingenuous, whereas an email from a jobless 3L, if desperate, is at least honest and to the point.
Wow, this forum always says to go out and network, and when there's someone who actually DID network, that gets casually dismissed as being a "gunner freak." It's absurd. I don't have any parents, relatives, or parents' friends who work in Biglaw (and neither do a lot of people). The only way I was possibly going to find out about what people do in Biglaw, the difference between corporate v. litigation, what an "average" day looks like, where partners think associates go wrong, etc etc...was to actually TALK to people in Biglaw. I did something similar as the anon post, and it paid off huge dividends come OCI time. That's networking.
Sitting down with partners, having lunch with them, getting to pick their brain for an hour or two -- it's easy. All you have to do is ask. About 90%
of the people I contacted ended up talking to me. And I didn't wait until OCI or 3L, when I'd obviously have an agenda. I just wanted to find out what they did. You have to build a relationship over time. No one wants to vouch for a stranger, so it's very unrealistic to expect that someone you've talked to once would be willing to go to bat for you a few weeks later.
A lot of people heading into OCI don't really know the things I just described, and have a vague idea of what a transactional lawyer does. A bunch just read the Vault guide or Chambers and Associates and spout the same few quotes about the firm. That's not gonna get you very far.
Out of literally dozens of partners, no one thought this was freaky, gunner-like, or insane -- a lot said it showed initiative. In fact, if you ever talk to b-school kids, they're never NOT networking, and would think it was completely absurd to go into an industry essentially blind and with no connections. If you interview with a bank/consulting firm/fund, you're EXPECTED to have spoken to people at the employer, and your failure to do so is a huge red flag. I guess all these partners and financial institutions and MBA students are wrong, and a TLS megaposter is right.