Anonymous User wrote:Not trying to give you a hard time. I'm in the same exact boat. Just trying to see if there is any substantive advice how to go about doing these things? Maybe if there are any 3ls that got jobs after striking out 2l oci, they can chime in with what worked for them.
No offense taken; these are valid questions and this is a hard thing to deal with. I can't say any of these things will work, and like I said it's just the stuff I plan to do, but I could elaborate on your questions in turn. I still hope that any 3Ls who happen to be lurking here do chime in here, because I'm just spitballing on this one...
Anonymous User wrote:Network hard - care to explain how?
Not really my forte, since I did much less networking than I should have for this OCI (one of the mistakes I made that I will fix next time around, for instance). But from what I understand, just look up Penn Law alumni (the more recent the better) working at firms you would like to work for. E-mail them asking for a chat, preferably in person. These things help! I learned the hard way this fall. I got callbacks at two of the places where I networked with someone (and I only met with three people).
Anonymous User wrote: Mass mail during summer to which firms? Most firms don't hire 3ls and the few that do come to OCI.
I don't really know the answer to this for sure- I think CPP might. But my guess as of right now is that I am going to mass-mail every firm that hires 3Ls (yes, even if I already mass mailed them this fall and got rejected, and even if they are coming to OCI).
I say this because I don't think this 3L OCI thing works like it did this time around. I don't think you just bid and get interviews, for the most part (maybe for a couple firms). I think those who have success and get interviews get them because they hustled for them. Say you are interested in the firm and that you would like an opportunity to interview with them while they are on campus during fall interviewing. Tell them you are willing to travel to interview with them. You gotta remember that 3L hiring is the exception to the rule, so the rules don't apply. It's on you to get your foot in the door. In my mind, the only interviews I'm going to get next year are gonna come from networking and mass mailing, in that order of preference.
Anonymous User wrote:Eliminate mistakes you made during OCI - Let say we didn't make mistakes, yet still didn't get a job? I don't think not getting a job means making a mistake.
I think we all made some mistakes:
- Maybe your bidding strategy was off (mine was). To the extent that we can bid (not sure if we can), bid conservatively and only for New York.
- Maybe you didn't network. Start hooking up those informational interviews with alumni, even if you have to go to NYC to do it.
- Maybe you didn't mass mail in June or July (after reading around TLS is seems like that's when you're actually supposed to do it; I certainly didn't), or when you did, your cover letter wasn't as good as it could have been. This time, send letters early and have a perfectly tailored resume and cover letter (have CPP review it multiple times) when you do.
- Maybe your references were bad or you didn't have enough. Start making connections with professors and your boss this summer.
- Maybe your approach during interviews was off. Get on them mocks.
- Maybe your grades hurt you. Start hittin' up Biddle so much the janitors know you. Also, set yourself up for success by choosing the right classes that won't overextend you next semester with too many difficult credits. We already submitted classes, but take advantage of add/drop.
If you legitimately don't have any of those problems, then go into CPP and find out which ones you are just in denial about. I thought long and hard about what I did wrong, and I'm gonna try not to do any of those things again. You know exactly how OCI works now and you're armed with so much more knowledge- use it to your advantage.
I hope that helps. I can't say it will work for everyone, but it's definitely what I'm going to try. There aren't any other options.