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Critique my Bid List - GULC Transfer

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jul 14, 2013 8:11 pm

Honest and brutal advice needed. TT to GULC transfer. 3.58, which is about top 15%. SF/SV is my target market (hometown), but am expanding to NYC and Chicago (where my 1L school is) because of larger class sizes. Bidlist was created based on a formula of things I care about: 1) in or has an office in SF/SV, 2) SA class size, 3) # of interview slots, 4) historical GPA median (does not include transfer students, because OCS has no data on that). This is what the formula spit out. It's not the most error-proof formula obviously, in large part because some data is just not available so I had to guess and/or just leave that data point blank. Unfortunately, the result is that there are some super selective firms on this list, so this is just a starting point.

Please critique and tell me what to change. I seriously have no fucking idea what I'm doing!


1 Davis Polk NYC
2 Weil Gotshal NYC
3 Cadwalader NYC
4 Jones Day NYC
5 Milbank Tweed NYC
6 Morgan Lewis NYC
7 Morgan Lewis Palo Alto
8 Morgan Lewis SF
9 Paul Weiss NYC
10 Shearman & Sterling NYC
11 White & Case NYC
12 Akin Gump NYC
13 Clifford Chance NYC
14 Cooley Palo Alto
15 Dechert NYC
16 Gibson Dunn NYC
17 Jones Day Chicago
18 Jones Day SF
19 Kirkland & Ellis NYC
20 McDermott Will & Emory Chicago
21 Simpson Thacher NYC
22 Skadden NYC
23 Stroock & Stroock NYC
24 Wilkie Farr NYC
25 Wilson Sonsini Palo Alto
26 Chadbourne & Parke NYC
27 Cleary Gottlieb NYC
28 Cravath NYC
29 Gibson Dunn SF
30 Jones Day SF
31 Kasowitz Benson NYC
32 Kramer Levin Neftalis NYC
33 Latham & Watkins SF
34 Latham & Watkins SV
35 Proskauer Rose NYC
36 Ropes & Gray NYC
37 Sidley Austin NYC
38 Sullivan & Cromwell NYC
39 Bingham McCutchen NYC
40 Brown Rudnick NYC
41 Debevoise & Plimpton NYC
42 Gibson Dunn Palo Alto
43 Kirkland & Ellis Chicago
44 Latham & Watkins NYC
45 Linklaters NYC
46 McDermott Will & Emory NYC
47 O'Melveny NYC
48 Orrick Herrington NYC
49 Pillsbury Winthrop SF
50 Schulte Roth NYC

Also, here are the rest of my list for reference:

51 Skadden Chicago
52 Alston & Bird NYC
53 Bryan Cave NYC
54 Cooley NYC
55 Kaye Scholer NYC
56 Latham & Watkins Chicago
57 Pillsbury Winthrop NYC
58 Seward & Kissel NYC
59 Wilmer Hale NYC
60 Wilson Sonsini SF
61 Boies Schiller NYC
62 Bryan Cave Chicago
63 Bryan Cave NYC
64 Cooley NYC
65 Cooley SD
66 Curtis, Mallet-Provost NYC
67 Foley & Lardner SF
68 Freshfields NYC
69 Gunderson Dettmer Redwood City
70 Kirkland & Ellis SF
71 O'Melveny SF
72 Perkins Coie Menlo Park
73 Perkins Coie Palo Alto
74 Perkins Coie SF
75 Ropes & Gray Chicago
76 Ropes & Gray SF
77 Ropes & Gray Palo Alto
78 Schiff Harden Chicago
79 Skadden Palo Alto
80 Sullivan & Cromwell NYC
81 Wilson Sonsini NYC
82 Allen & Overy NYC
83 Bickel & Brewer NYC
84 Boies Schiller Oakland
85 Cahill Gordon NYC
86 Foley & Lardner NYC
87 Foley & Lardner Palo Alto
88 Foley & Lardner SD
89 Goodwin Procter NYC
90 Hunton & Williams NYC
91 Latham & Watkins SD
92 Perkins Coie SF
93 Schiff Harden NYC
94 Schiff Harden SF
95 Sheppard Mullin NYC
96 Sheppard Mullin SF
97 Vinson & Elkins NYC
98 Akerman Senterfitt NYC
99 Baker Botts NYC
100 Baker Hostetler Chicago
101 Baker Hostetler NYC
102 Fox Rothschild NYC
103 Gunderson Dettmer NYC
104 Hogan Lovells NYC
105 Hogan Lovells SF/SV
106 Holland & Knight Chicago
107 Holland & Knight NYC
108 Holland & Knight SF
109 Venable NYC
110 Edwards Wildman Chicago
111 Edwards Wildman NYC
112 K&L Gates NYC
113 Pryor Cashman NYC

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Re: Critique my Bid List - GULC Transfer

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:28 pm

Bumpity bump. Anyone?

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Re: Critique my Bid List - GULC Transfer

Postby Tom Joad » Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:34 pm

Seems like you are being damn aggressive. Do a lot of those firms ever hire median GULC students?

And what is with the multiple offices? I don't go to GULC, but my career services said not to bid multiple offices unless you have a damn good reason you want to be in either.

Seems like you are just aggressively throwing darts. Obviously big class sizes are good, but you have to have the grades to get in the door. Have you talked to your CSO?

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Re: Critique my Bid List - GULC Transfer

Postby Robespierre » Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:42 pm

OP, you cite your 3.58, but just so I understand, that GPA was earned at your transferor school, right? Shouldn't you be approaching this as if you were a median student at GULC?

If Yes, then I agree with TJ that you're being really aggressive by bidding really good firms like Weil, Paul Weiss, Gibson Dunn (I'm only addressing NYC which is the only market I know about).

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Re: Critique my Bid List - GULC Transfer

Postby stillwater » Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:50 pm

Robespierre wrote:OP, you cite your 3.58, but just so I understand, that GPA was earned at your transferor school, right? Shouldn't you be approaching this as if you were a median student at GULC?

If Yes, then I agree with TJ that you're being really aggressive by bidding really good firms like Weil, Paul Weiss, Gibson Dunn (I'm only addressing NYC which is the only market I know about).


i thought the wisdom was to approach as if still at old school w respect to gpa cutoffs

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Re: Critique my Bid List - GULC Transfer

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:16 pm

OP here: Yes, it's 3.58 at my 1L school. GULC OCS said I should look at it as a 3.4 there.

And yes, I definitely know it's aggressive, which is why I need the feedback. This is just what my little self-designed formula spit out, so it's my first pass at putting together a bidlist based on that. But I know there are some firms that I should not even so much as consider. I'll definitely go ahead and take Weil, Paul Weiss, and Gibson Dunn out. Any other suggestions?

With regard to multiple offices, one of the factors in my formula is whether the office is in or has an office in SF/SV (just trying to think one step ahead - maybe consider transferring back home a couple years into it), so the list came out very grouped as far as firms as concerned. Is bidding multiple offices not okay? Would it give me a better chance at getting a screener with that firm, and then I can specify at the screener which office I'm looking for?

Any other words of wisdom for me? Firms I should move up or down? Firms I should move in or out of the Top 50?

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Re: Critique my Bid List - GULC Transfer

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:04 pm

I'd get rid of Weil Gotshal.....

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Re: Critique my Bid List - GULC Transfer

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:21 pm

Way too agressive. Consider your GPA to be .3 lower than it is. of you transferred fromm TTTT pretty much forget it. only target one market where you have string ties. LOL re Davis Polk. good luck though.

Anonymous User wrote:Honest and brutal advice needed. TT to GULC transfer. 3.58, which is about top 15%. SF/SV is my target market (hometown), but am expanding to NYC and Chicago (where my 1L school is) because of larger class sizes. Bidlist was created based on a formula of things I care about: 1) in or has an office in SF/SV, 2) SA class size, 3) # of interview slots, 4) historical GPA median (does not include transfer students, because OCS has no data on that). This is what the formula spit out. It's not the most error-proof formula obviously, in large part because some data is just not available so I had to guess and/or just leave that data point blank. Unfortunately, the result is that there are some super selective firms on this list, so this is just a starting point.

Please critique and tell me what to change. I seriously have no fucking idea what I'm doing!


1 Davis Polk NYC
2 Weil Gotshal NYC
3 Cadwalader NYC
4 Jones Day NYC
5 Milbank Tweed NYC
6 Morgan Lewis NYC
7 Morgan Lewis Palo Alto
8 Morgan Lewis SF
9 Paul Weiss NYC
10 Shearman & Sterling NYC
11 White & Case NYC
12 Akin Gump NYC
13 Clifford Chance NYC
14 Cooley Palo Alto
15 Dechert NYC
16 Gibson Dunn NYC
17 Jones Day Chicago
18 Jones Day SF
19 Kirkland & Ellis NYC
20 McDermott Will & Emory Chicago
21 Simpson Thacher NYC
22 Skadden NYC
23 Stroock & Stroock NYC
24 Wilkie Farr NYC
25 Wilson Sonsini Palo Alto
26 Chadbourne & Parke NYC
27 Cleary Gottlieb NYC
28 Cravath NYC
29 Gibson Dunn SF
30 Jones Day SF
31 Kasowitz Benson NYC
32 Kramer Levin Neftalis NYC
33 Latham & Watkins SF
34 Latham & Watkins SV
35 Proskauer Rose NYC
36 Ropes & Gray NYC
37 Sidley Austin NYC
38 Sullivan & Cromwell NYC
39 Bingham McCutchen NYC
40 Brown Rudnick NYC
41 Debevoise & Plimpton NYC
42 Gibson Dunn Palo Alto
43 Kirkland & Ellis Chicago
44 Latham & Watkins NYC
45 Linklaters NYC
46 McDermott Will & Emory NYC
47 O'Melveny NYC
48 Orrick Herrington NYC
49 Pillsbury Winthrop SF
50 Schulte Roth NYC

Also, here are the rest of my list for reference:

51 Skadden Chicago
52 Alston & Bird NYC
53 Bryan Cave NYC
54 Cooley NYC
55 Kaye Scholer NYC
56 Latham & Watkins Chicago
57 Pillsbury Winthrop NYC
58 Seward & Kissel NYC
59 Wilmer Hale NYC
60 Wilson Sonsini SF
61 Boies Schiller NYC
62 Bryan Cave Chicago
63 Bryan Cave NYC
64 Cooley NYC
65 Cooley SD
66 Curtis, Mallet-Provost NYC
67 Foley & Lardner SF
68 Freshfields NYC
69 Gunderson Dettmer Redwood City
70 Kirkland & Ellis SF
71 O'Melveny SF
72 Perkins Coie Menlo Park
73 Perkins Coie Palo Alto
74 Perkins Coie SF
75 Ropes & Gray Chicago
76 Ropes & Gray SF
77 Ropes & Gray Palo Alto
78 Schiff Harden Chicago
79 Skadden Palo Alto
80 Sullivan & Cromwell NYC
81 Wilson Sonsini NYC
82 Allen & Overy NYC
83 Bickel & Brewer NYC
84 Boies Schiller Oakland
85 Cahill Gordon NYC
86 Foley & Lardner NYC
87 Foley & Lardner Palo Alto
88 Foley & Lardner SD
89 Goodwin Procter NYC
90 Hunton & Williams NYC
91 Latham & Watkins SD
92 Perkins Coie SF
93 Schiff Harden NYC
94 Schiff Harden SF
95 Sheppard Mullin NYC
96 Sheppard Mullin SF
97 Vinson & Elkins NYC
98 Akerman Senterfitt NYC
99 Baker Botts NYC
100 Baker Hostetler Chicago
101 Baker Hostetler NYC
102 Fox Rothschild NYC
103 Gunderson Dettmer NYC
104 Hogan Lovells NYC
105 Hogan Lovells SF/SV
106 Holland & Knight Chicago
107 Holland & Knight NYC
108 Holland & Knight SF
109 Venable NYC
110 Edwards Wildman Chicago
111 Edwards Wildman NYC
112 K&L Gates NYC
113 Pryor Cashman NYC
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Re: Critique my Bid List - GULC Transfer

Postby gtz » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:24 pm

I have 3.4. Your list for NYC is nothing less then crazy. Davis Polk, Weil, Paul Weiss, Gibson Dunn, Kirkland, Simpson, Skadden, are you kidding me Craveth and Cleary, Sullivan. You have legit NOO shot. Jones day, Milbank, Sherman, white and case are your reach firms. Im nervous about these firms and I have some high level contacts ie I just had lunch with the hiring partner at one. I just named like 20 firms on your list just from NYC that aren't really reasonable. Adjust your list. GULC is a good school but it's not Harvard

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Re: Critique my Bid List - GULC Transfer

Postby Lawquacious » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:28 pm

gtz wrote:I have 3.4. Your list for NYC is nothing less then crazy. Davis Polk, Weil, Paul Weiss, Gibson Dunn, Kirkland, Simpson, Skadden, are you kidding me Craveth and Cleary, Sullivan. You have legit NOO shot. Jones day, Milbank, Sherman, white and case are your reach firms. Im nervous about these firms and I have some high level contacts ie I just had lunch with the hiring partner at one. I just named like 20 firms on your list just from NYC that aren't really reasonable. Adjust your list. GULC is a good school but it's not Harvard



This is true. Cut yourself down like 10 notches. Not to mention you will not be as competitive as a native GULC student...they will only look at old school. Sorry to be harsh, but you are going to fuck yourself and are leading with your chin right now.

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Re: Critique my Bid List - GULC Transfer

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:30 pm

Lawquacious wrote:
gtz wrote:I have 3.4. Your list for NYC is nothing less then crazy. Davis Polk, Weil, Paul Weiss, Gibson Dunn, Kirkland, Simpson, Skadden, are you kidding me Craveth and Cleary, Sullivan. You have legit NOO shot. Jones day, Milbank, Sherman, white and case are your reach firms. Im nervous about these firms and I have some high level contacts ie I just had lunch with the hiring partner at one. I just named like 20 firms on your list just from NYC that aren't really reasonable. Adjust your list. GULC is a good school but it's not Harvard



This is true. Cut yourself down like 10 notches. Not to mention you will not be as competitive as a native GULC student...they will only look at old school. Sorry to be harsh, but you are going to fuck yourself and are leading with your chin right now.


Thanks, all. Like I said, brutal is what I need. And like I said, I didn't even look at the firm names - this is purely based on a formula of factors I care about and this is a starting point. Advice like this is exactly what I need.

Any other suggestions on which ones to take off and add on?

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Re: Critique my Bid List - GULC Transfer

Postby gtz » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:39 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Lawquacious wrote:
gtz wrote:I have 3.4. Your list for NYC is nothing less then crazy. Davis Polk, Weil, Paul Weiss, Gibson Dunn, Kirkland, Simpson, Skadden, are you kidding me Craveth and Cleary, Sullivan. You have legit NOO shot. Jones day, Milbank, Sherman, white and case are your reach firms. Im nervous about these firms and I have some high level contacts ie I just had lunch with the hiring partner at one. I just named like 20 firms on your list just from NYC that aren't really reasonable. Adjust your list. GULC is a good school but it's not Harvard



This is true. Cut yourself down like 10 notches. Not to mention you will not be as competitive as a native GULC student...they will only look at old school. Sorry to be harsh, but you are going to fuck yourself and are leading with your chin right now.


Thanks, all. Like I said, brutal is what I need. And like I said, I didn't even look at the firm names - this is purely based on a formula of factors I care about and this is a starting point. Advice like this is exactly what I need.

Any other suggestions on which ones to take off and add on?


All the ones I listed in the first line take off no questions asked unless your dad is a client or something extraordinary. The second list I have if you really are equal to a 3.4 which I think is way too optimistic, you can leave them but order them accordingly as reaches. Go to the gpa list and anything with a 3.2 to 3.4 add those firms. You need to do some real research or your gonna be steamrolled at a 3.4 I know I'm no where near big law secure but I got a chance if I'm smart and you may be in the same boat.




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