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Re: UChicago OCI 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Aug 24, 2013 10:23 am

Anonymous User wrote:So through week 1, I've done 13 screeners, with 1 CB, 2 dings, and silence from the rest so far. Bidding mostly Chicago with some NY. Median with no journal. How is everyone else doing? Trying to figure out if should I'm under performing and if I should be changing my interview style/answers...


We should include location of CBs(NY much faster than Chi/CA), grades, journal, vault ranking of firm (smaller firms have longer timelines, bigger ones usually faster), and only count ourselves out of firms we've heard of on TLS.

This is the only way to let someone gauge how they are doing and not freak out unnecessarily because of different firm timelines.

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Re: UChicago OCI 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Aug 24, 2013 10:27 am

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Anonymous User wrote:Cravath email ding. Interviewer SG.


+1 Kind of expected, though. 178, no journal.


Which room was SG??


My ding came from DD this morning. Friend got one from them last night(same interviewer); another friend the day before. I'm guessing these are being evaluated one by one and thus CBs/dings will trickle out.

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Re: UChicago OCI 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Aug 24, 2013 11:51 am

Through week one 17 screeners

Cbs-
SV boutique
SV V20 firm
SV V10

Secondary market V10

Dings-cravath

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Re: UChicago OCI 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Aug 24, 2013 9:30 pm

15+ screeners, no CBs, 3 dings. 178-179, secondary journal. Chi and NYC. FML.

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Re: UChicago OCI 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 25, 2013 9:34 am

I know a lot of people (5+) who bid Chicago only without any callbacks yet. While I know a lot of people (6+) who bid only NY with 4+ callbacks. Even people who bid mostly NY with a few Chicago (like me) will be different from those who bid mostly Chicago and a few NY.

I don't think this is going to be helpful because markets change the timeline. I'd go off of how many firms have issued callbacks / how many you've gotten. If that fraction is less than 1/3, there's things you can improve on.

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Re: UChicago OCI 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 25, 2013 11:24 am

20 screeners, 10 CBs. 2 rejections. 180/LR. Don't want to out myself - but will say NY has been fast. Chicago has not.

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Re: UChicago OCI 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 25, 2013 11:31 am

Anonymous User wrote:20 screeners, 10 CBs. 2 rejections. 180/LR. Don't want to out myself - but will say NY has been fast. Chicago has not.


Are the rejections Wachtell/Cravath, or have they been for "fit" at firms with lower cutoffs?

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Re: UChicago OCI 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 25, 2013 11:39 am

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Anonymous User wrote:20 screeners, 10 CBs. 2 rejections. 180/LR. Don't want to out myself - but will say NY has been fast. Chicago has not.


Are the rejections Wachtell/Cravath, or have they been for "fit" at firms with lower cutoffs?


Rejections are Wachtell/Cravath. Haven't heard from the firms with lower cutoffs. Might be a fit thing.

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Re: UChicago OCI 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 25, 2013 1:03 pm

Chicago has been moving hella slowly. Krikland seems to have been giving CBS out one at a freaking time.

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Re: UChicago OCI 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 25, 2013 1:25 pm

14 screeners. 0 CB's. 0 rejections. Just total silence. Mostly targeted CA.

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Re: UChicago OCI 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 25, 2013 1:52 pm

Nine screeners, three callbacks. All Chicago.

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Re: UChicago OCI 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 25, 2013 1:59 pm

20 screeners, 10 CBs. 2 rejections. 180/LR.


Hope you're planning on canceling/not taking a few of those CBs...

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Re: UChicago OCI 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 25, 2013 2:06 pm

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20 screeners, 10 CBs. 2 rejections. 180/LR.


Hope you're planning on canceling/not taking a few of those CBs...


as well as (hopefully) canceling some screeners next week unless you LOVE the firm...

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Re: UChicago OCI 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 25, 2013 2:18 pm

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20 screeners, 10 CBs. 2 rejections. 180/LR.


Hope you're planning on canceling/not taking a few of those CBs...


No doubt. I scheduled my favorites first so that if I get an offer, I'll cancel the rest.

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Re: UChicago OCI 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 25, 2013 2:54 pm

10 Screeners. 5 NY, 5 Chi. 2 CBs (Chi), 3 rejections (NY)

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Re: UChicago OCI 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 25, 2013 3:28 pm

Someone posted about a JB Chicago CB (I can't quote you for some reason). To be clear, you meant Jenner?

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Re: UChicago OCI 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 25, 2013 3:30 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Someone posted about a JB Chicago CB (I can't quote you for some reason). To be clear, you meant Jenner?


There was an S&C interviewer with those initials and that is where S&C was being discussed. Don't think it's Jenner

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Re: UChicago OCI 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 25, 2013 3:34 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Someone posted about a JB Chicago CB (I can't quote you for some reason). To be clear, you meant Jenner?


There was an S&C interviewer with those initials and that is where S&C was being discussed. Don't think it's Jenner


The S&C interviewer did not have the initials JB.

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Re: UChicago OCI 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 25, 2013 5:26 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Someone posted about a JB Chicago CB (I can't quote you for some reason). To be clear, you meant Jenner?

Yes

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Re: UChicago OCI 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 25, 2013 6:46 pm

Anonymous User wrote:14 screeners. 0 CB's. 0 rejections. Just total silence. Mostly targeted CA.


I am in the same boat, 15 screeners, 0 CB's, and 1 email ding. Officially freaking out.

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Re: UChicago OCI 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:02 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:14 screeners. 0 CB's. 0 rejections. Just total silence. Mostly targeted CA.


I am in the same boat, 15 screeners, 0 CB's, and 1 email ding. Officially freaking out.


For reference for CA people, firms that have had CBs reported here:

Gunderson SV
STB SV
Ropes
Sidley SV
O'Melveny SF
Latham SF
Latham SV
Gibson dinner

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Re: UChicago OCI 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:53 pm

Weil NY CB

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Re: UChicago OCI 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 25, 2013 8:57 pm

Saw this in the CLS thread and thought I'd share.

1) If other firms are like mine, they will try to match you with at least some CLS folks. The CLS folks you interview with, especially the younger ones, WANT to give you a good rating. So just don't f*ck it up.

2) Most of you are not good interviewers. I wasn't either.

3) So since most of you aren't going to win a charisma contest (we are all, in the end, folks who decided to go to law school), and your interviewer probably isn't super charismatic, either, get it out of your head that you're going to dazzle folks. Don't monologue. For the love of god, don't have obviously scripted answers. Is kiss of death.*

*that being said, if your résumé begs an obvious question, I assume you have a prepared response and if it seems like you don't, I'll take off a (metaphorical) point. But the art of it is in delivering a canned answer without seeming scripted. Is not easy. But is necessary.

4) Speaking personally, I make a judgement within about 2 minutes as to whether you are a nut job. I view identifying the crazies as my main job. I then want to test your common sense - are you "professional" - meaning, are your answers uncontroversial and conservative? Again, don't wow me, just show the ability to shoot shit smoothly for 30 min. That takes another 5-10 min or so. After that, Ive made my call and I'm more worried about recruiting you - the tables are turned.

5) you'd be stunned how many people are incompetent at the aspects of being an associate other than the brains. People flake out, or can't be trusted, or play games. I don't really care if I like you, and I don't really care if I can be up in your business at 3AM, because frankly, if we're working at 3AM, you will be in your office and me in mine. What I want to answer is - if its Friday at 9PM and shit comes in, and I email you, will you pretend to not hear your BB? Will you hope the other first year on the email answers first, and sandbag the response? Will you do a crappy job to get it off your plate so you can go to frying pan on Saturday? If the answer to any of those is yes, that's a real bad thing - and frankly, for most people the answer is yes. Most sane people, anyways. But to be a good associate you need to be more than a little crazy, and at least at the interview, if you can't at least reasonably convince me that you have that craziness in you, you've failed to show common sense and failed #4 above.

6) if I think you want to clock 3 years, pay off your debt and bail, that's not a good thing. If I see lots of social justice type stuff on your resume, or lots of pro bono, that's something i am going to press you on. pro bono/social justice is not inherently a negative point, and some of the lawyers i respect the most at my firm are big on it, but you have to be very careful to build a narrative as someone enthusiastic about "core" biglaw work.

7) if you tell me you are seriously considering an inferior firm because of culture or fit, I will ding you because you are an idiot. For saying it, and for thinking it. I generally won't ask about that, but some partners will. Some interviewees volunteer it, which is insanity. Happened to me twice last week.

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Re: UChicago OCI 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 25, 2013 10:45 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:14 screeners. 0 CB's. 0 rejections. Just total silence. Mostly targeted CA.


I am in the same boat, 15 screeners, 0 CB's, and 1 email ding. Officially freaking out.


For reference for CA people, firms that have had CBs reported here:

Gunderson SV
STB SV
Ropes
Sidley SV
O'Melveny SF
Latham SF
Latham SV
Gibson dinner


Gibson CBs have gone out.

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Re: UChicago OCI 2013

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:47 am

Anonymous User wrote:Saw this in the CLS thread and thought I'd share....

7) if you tell me you are seriously considering an inferior firm because of culture or fit, I will ding you because you are an idiot. For saying it, and for thinking it. I generally won't ask about that, but some partners will. Some interviewees volunteer it, which is insanity. Happened to me twice last week.


Guy sounds like a class-A douchebag automaton frankly. I've done this multiple times and it's all working out swimmingly.




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