Anonymous User wrote:2. (a) By doesn't sound like it, I presume you mean that since I explained that I haven't gone through OCI and such, I do not have a job lined up for 2L summer, although I was able to find work this summer. I know zero people not working. Those not being paid chose to clerk or work as public defenders. For many, jobs were found close to midnight --but everything worked out. 1L summer has been tight.
Like others have said, this is fairly meaningless. Everyone finds work as a 1L.
What I'm trying to explain is is that after getting my very average grades back, TLS made me feel like shit. And after doing more research and talking to non-TLSers (lawyers, upper-level students), I'm not convinced I should feel like shit.
Depends on lots of factors like debt, what you want to do, etc. There was a thread not even an hour ago where I was telling someone at a T20 with sub-median grades that he isn't screwed, he should stay persistent, it'll likely work out, etc. TLS is closer to realistic than pessimistic; if you want to see pessimism, go check out JDU. The notion that TLS is over the top with pessimism is really not my experience at all, and people like you typically arrive at that conclusion by creating one hell of a strawman.
3 and 4. Again, maybe I'm wrong.
This site is famous for its I-failed-at-OCI-even-though-I'm-#-5 threads, and I think it's important to make a big thread like this to say that to say that those are the same people who post on Yelp when their suit gets fucked at the dry cleaner --the guy who gets 10 shirts done a week for 3 years with no problems is pretty unlikely to post a review of his dry cleaner.
Nope. Even a cursory sample of the most pessimistic and "anti" law school people from my class on TLS tells me that this is total BS.
And if my language was ambiguous, I apologize. What I meant is that I have a very good shot at getting a legal job, and I think that any legal job is a very cool outcome. "Shit-law" pays more than what I couldve gotten, and it's an enjoyable thing to do.
I used to be really against the term "shitlaw" and even now I try to limit my use of it. I'll agree that TLS unfairly looks down on small firm work and most forms of non-corporate litigation, and there are some great small and mid-sized firms out there (I work part time for a great little family law firm in STL). But there are lots of shitty law jobs, there's no way around it. Tons of legal jobs are a combination of low pay, few opportunities, high turnover, terrible hours, and little resume benefit. Not every legal job is "a very cool outcome," and something tells me that by the time you're a 3L or a recent graduate your outlook will change.
I also highly doubt "shitlaw" pays more than you could have gotten without law school. Many, many legal jobs start out between 30-50k, which is simply awful considering how much time and money it takes to become a member of this "noble profession." I saw a sign at Family Video yesterday advertising for new manager jobs starting at 35k with benefits. Sure, not a ton of upward mobility there and I don't doubt that most lawyers will make more than video store managers over the long term, but it also doesn't cost tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars to become a retail manager either.
I'm suggesting that those who are not as happy as I am are that way because they're frustrated entitled brats.
I'm optimistic that things will work out from here on out.
I hope they do for you and I'm guessing if you're median at a T20 they will in the long run... but Jesus Christ, lay off the profession's Kool Aid.