State clerkship v. Shit law firm
Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2013 4:21 pm
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from what I understand, odds would be greatly stacked against youAnonymous User wrote:I want biglaw. Can I lateral?
Why?Nova wrote:from what I understand, odds would be greatly stacked against youAnonymous User wrote:I want biglaw. Can I lateral?
Any firm that does work where an insurance co pays the bill is shitty?SBL wrote:I would take the clerkship, and it wouldn't be a particularly hard choice. There are always going to be shitlaw ID mills out there needing warm bodies, so it's not as if this is your first, last, and only chance for a gig like this. But once you take it, you're going to be doing tons of really unchallenging, uninteresting work and you will learn nothing. A clerkship like this might have a preftige factor of 0, but that's OK, because you're going to learn a bunch and improve your writing skills, and that has value. Take the year, focus on learning as much as you can and adding as much value as possible to your skill set, network like crazy, and see if a better job pops up.
It totally depends on the kind of work, I suppose, but often this kind of stuff doesn't pay especially well so they make up for it by being super high-volume. A lot of the actual work is incredibly rote and unchallenging (plugging shit into templates all diggity day loooong), and you end up feeling like you work in a coal mine. Same thing with foreclosure mills that have associates filing relief from stay motions 24/7/365.Anonymous User wrote:Any firm that does work where an insurance co pays the bill is shitty?SBL wrote:I would take the clerkship, and it wouldn't be a particularly hard choice. There are always going to be shitlaw ID mills out there needing warm bodies, so it's not as if this is your first, last, and only chance for a gig like this. But once you take it, you're going to be doing tons of really unchallenging, uninteresting work and you will learn nothing. A clerkship like this might have a preftige factor of 0, but that's OK, because you're going to learn a bunch and improve your writing skills, and that has value. Take the year, focus on learning as much as you can and adding as much value as possible to your skill set, network like crazy, and see if a better job pops up.
Speaking in generalities:Anonymous User wrote:Any firm that does work where an insurance co pays the bill is shitty?SBL wrote:I would take the clerkship, and it wouldn't be a particularly hard choice. There are always going to be shitlaw ID mills out there needing warm bodies, so it's not as if this is your first, last, and only chance for a gig like this. But once you take it, you're going to be doing tons of really unchallenging, uninteresting work and you will learn nothing. A clerkship like this might have a preftige factor of 0, but that's OK, because you're going to learn a bunch and improve your writing skills, and that has value. Take the year, focus on learning as much as you can and adding as much value as possible to your skill set, network like crazy, and see if a better job pops up.
No. Insurance defense is a term of art that refers to specific type of practice. The firms are on contract to handle small claims that insurance companies don't want to settle. They're the attorneys on the other side of slip and falls. Major insurance litigation, e.g., litigation between an insurer and a reinsurer for $200 million, is handled by big law firms.Anonymous User wrote:Any firm that does work where an insurance co pays the bill is shitty?SBL wrote:I would take the clerkship, and it wouldn't be a particularly hard choice. There are always going to be shitlaw ID mills out there needing warm bodies, so it's not as if this is your first, last, and only chance for a gig like this. But once you take it, you're going to be doing tons of really unchallenging, uninteresting work and you will learn nothing. A clerkship like this might have a preftige factor of 0, but that's OK, because you're going to learn a bunch and improve your writing skills, and that has value. Take the year, focus on learning as much as you can and adding as much value as possible to your skill set, network like crazy, and see if a better job pops up.
Insurance defense is a term of art for shitlaw.Bronte wrote:No. Insurance defense is a term of art that refers to specific type of practice. The firms are on contract to handle small claims that insurance companies don't want to settle. They're the attorneys on the other side of slip and falls. Major insurance litigation, e.g., litigation between an insurer and a reinsurer for $200 million, is handled by big law firms.Anonymous User wrote:Any firm that does work where an insurance co pays the bill is shitty?SBL wrote:I would take the clerkship, and it wouldn't be a particularly hard choice. There are always going to be shitlaw ID mills out there needing warm bodies, so it's not as if this is your first, last, and only chance for a gig like this. But once you take it, you're going to be doing tons of really unchallenging, uninteresting work and you will learn nothing. A clerkship like this might have a preftige factor of 0, but that's OK, because you're going to learn a bunch and improve your writing skills, and that has value. Take the year, focus on learning as much as you can and adding as much value as possible to your skill set, network like crazy, and see if a better job pops up.
No. Insurance defense is a term of art that refers to specific type of practice. The firms are on contract to handle small claims that insurance companies don't want to settle. They're the attorneys on the other side of slip and falls. Major insurance litigation, e.g., litigation between an insurer and a reinsurer for $200 million, is handled by bigBronte wrote:Anonymous User wrote:Any firm that does work where an insurance co pays the bill is shitty?SBL wrote:I would take the clerkship, and it wouldn't be a particularly hard choice. There are always going to be shitlaw ID mills out there needing warm bodies, so it's not as if this is your first, last, and only chance for a gig like this. But once you take it, you're going to be doing tons of really unchallenging, uninteresting work and you will learn nothing. A clerkship like this might have a preftige factor of 0, but that's OK, because you're going to learn a bunch and improve your writing skills, and that has value. Take the year, focus on learning as much as you can and adding as much value as possible to your skill set, network like crazy, and see if a better job pops up.
No. Insurance defense is a term of art that refers to specific type of practice. The firms are on contract to handle small claims that insurance companies don't want to settle. They're the attorneys on the other side of slip and falls. Major insurance litigation, e.g., litigation between an insurer and a reinsurer for $200 million, is handled by bigAnonymous User wrote:Bronte wrote:Anonymous User wrote:Any firm that does work where an insurance co pays the bill is shitty?SBL wrote:I would take the clerkship, and it wouldn't be a particularly hard choice. There are always going to be shitlaw ID mills out there needing warm bodies, so it's not as if this is your first, last, and only chance for a gig like this. But once you take it, you're going to be doing tons of really unchallenging, uninteresting work and you will learn nothing. A clerkship like this might have a preftige factor of 0, but that's OK, because you're going to learn a bunch and improve your writing skills, and that has value. Take the year, focus on learning as much as you can and adding as much value as possible to your skill set, network like crazy, and see if a better job pops up.
I work at a firm like this in a flyover state and it's not shitlaw. We recently hand an employment trial (sexual harassment, retaliation, serious extenuating circumstances with an employee who probably should not have been hired, etc.) and billed like $300K on the thing. LOL. There was zero cut and paste or serial filing of BS motions going on, and it was pretty cool, involving a number of issues of first impression in the state (mostly evidence related).Anonymous User wrote: So then what about a midsized firm where there's an employment litigation practice billing like 250 an hour and where the firm usually bills anywhere between 70-150k per case. And obv they represent the insured and the insurance co pays the attys fees and any settlement. Where you know, you engage in whatever litigation needed...extensive motion practice, doc review, experts. No half-adding the case.
This is so, so, so credited.BeautifulSW wrote:A state clerkship will make you a much better writer because you will quickly learn what you, reading for the court, hate.
I didn't say otherwise, but I don't really see how you're adding anything to the discussion.stillwater wrote:Insurance defense is a term of art for shitlaw.Bronte wrote:No. Insurance defense is a term of art that refers to specific type of practice. The firms are on contract to handle small claims that insurance companies don't want to settle. They're the attorneys on the other side of slip and falls. Major insurance litigation, e.g., litigation between an insurer and a reinsurer for $200 million, is handled by big law firms.
No. Insurance defense is a term of art that refers to specific type of practice. The firms are on contract to handle small claims that insurance companies don't want to settle. They're the attorneys on the other side of slip and falls. Major insurance litigation, e.g., litigation between an insurer and a reinsurer for $200 million, is handled byAnonymous User wrote:Bronte wrote:Anonymous User wrote:Any firm that does work where an insurance co pays the bill is shitty?SBL wrote:I would take the clerkship, and it wouldn't be a particularly hard choice. There are always going to be shitlaw ID mills out there needing warm bodies, so it's not as if this is your first, last, and only chance for a gig like this. But once you take it, you're going to be doing tons of really unchallenging, uninteresting work and you will learn nothing. A clerkship like this might have a preftige factor of 0, but that's OK, because you're going to learn a bunch and improve your writing skills, and that has value. Take the year, focus on learning as much as you can and adding as much value as possible to your skill set, network like crazy, and see if a better job pops up.